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Post by coeurrouge on Dec 12, 2010 4:42:09 GMT -5
I found this pictures of Juh, both on the net. One seems certain. It was a paint from a female artist who met Juh on San Carlos during the short living of the chief on the reservation (dec.1879 - sept.1881). The second, the photo was not certain. But where I found this one, someone by comparison, said that the man, in the center, was certainly Juh because he looked like Juh on the paint. I believe of that thinking, not surely yet. But the man in the center had a strong physic like Juh and looked like the painted Apache identified of Juh. If juh gave is time to an artist for a paint, he certainly gave less time for a photographer. By logical thought, I concluded that the young men beside him were his oldest sons Delzhinne and Daklegon. Does anyone see this photo, before; can invalidate or confirm my belief; have this photo with higher quality? Attachments:
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Post by coeurrouge on Dec 12, 2010 4:44:52 GMT -5
Sorry, I am not control all the tools of the net. this is the paint I talked before. Attachments:
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Post by naiches2 on Dec 12, 2010 6:09:04 GMT -5
This man is Chino - Wmts Apache chief  or look at thread: Apache Tag Bands of Fort Apache and San Carlos « Reply #2 on Aug 2, 2009, 12:12am » |
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Post by kayitah on Dec 12, 2010 8:55:18 GMT -5
So is this another Chino than the man below or is one of them misidentified??  Attachments:
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Post by naiches2 on Dec 12, 2010 9:10:45 GMT -5
IMHO is different man by same name
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Post by kayitah on Dec 12, 2010 10:08:24 GMT -5
Could it be that this is actually Chino -> same man as on the right on your image??
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Post by naiches2 on Dec 12, 2010 10:16:18 GMT -5
Mmmmmm.... May be is son of Chino by same name.
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Post by jeroen on Dec 13, 2010 6:17:14 GMT -5
I agree it may well be a son...
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Post by naiches2 on Dec 13, 2010 15:21:42 GMT -5
Here are Chief Chuhuahua and another Chino as old men.  Exept. from A.Radbourne "Mickey Free": p.149-150 Radbourne cited Allen Smith, Jr. about Chiricahua Apache dance in "An Apache War Dance": '"big medicine man named Chino" who signaled the changes of tempo for drummers...'; and p.251: 'it is unclear whether the shaman, Chino, was the Chiricahua whose Apache name was as Tlol-glish and who, in late 1880s, was living among the Eastern White Mountain people as leader of the "L" tag band; or if he was the Warm Spring Apache of Loco's band listed at that time among prisoners at Mount Vernon. The Spanish sobriquet means "Curly"(!)' IMHO: At that time in that place could be a lot of people named "Curly"  |
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Post by kayitah on Dec 13, 2010 16:23:52 GMT -5
Thanks a lot for these infos, Naiches! :-) Very interesting!
What's puzzling for me is that the man third man on your image looks just like the man in the following post... does this mean that Chino isn't the man in the foreground, but the one not carrying a rifle?
Anyway, I don't think the man in question in the first posted image is the same as the man on left of "Chino and his staff".
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Post by perico on Jan 24, 2011 5:44:51 GMT -5
Here are Chief Chuhuahua and another Chino as old men. Exept. from A.Radbourne "Mickey Free": p.149-150 Radbourne cited Allen Smith, Jr. about Chiricahua Apache dance in "An Apache War Dance": '"big medicine man named Chino" who signaled the changes of tempo for drummers...'; and p.251: 'it is unclear whether the shaman, Chino, was the Chiricahua whose Apache name was as Tlol-glish and who, in late 1880s, was living among the Eastern White Mountain people as leader of the "L" tag band; or if he was the Warm Spring Apache of Loco's band listed at that time among prisoners at Mount Vernon. The Spanish sobriquet means "Curly"(!)' IMHO: At that time in that place could be a lot of people named "Curly" This picture is also taken at Fort Sill. Chino was a common name used. This Chino is the Chiricahua. There is also a Western Apache by this name. They are two different people. |
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Post by RomsD on Nov 12, 2012 8:14:15 GMT -5
Can anyone tell me which year Ishton was born, and when she dies?
I cannot find it on the net.
Daklugie of course tells the dramatic story of the mexican attack where she was killed to Eve Ball, but no year or date is given (?) ?
I understand the attack must have been in the early 1880'ies.
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Post by naiches2 on Nov 12, 2012 13:15:23 GMT -5
Can anyone tell me which year Ishton was born, and when she dies? I cannot find it on the net. Daklugie of course tells the dramatic story of the mexican attack where she was killed to Eve Ball, but no year or date is given (?) ? I understand the attack must have been in the early 1880'ies. I'm thinking is the best information from Beef Creek Apache Cemetery (Okla). Attachments:
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Post by RomsD on Nov 12, 2012 16:30:05 GMT -5
Thank you Naiches, you guys can really come up whith a photo in no time :-)
But that must mean that Ishton lived longer than her husband Juh, and the information in E.Ball 'Indeh' on Ishtons death is wrong?
(Its somewhere around page 80, I don't have the book here right now).
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Post by naiches2 on Nov 13, 2012 16:44:29 GMT -5
Thank you Naiches, you guys can really come up whith a photo in no time :-) But that must mean that Ishton lived longer than her husband Juh, and the information in E.Ball 'Indeh' on Ishtons death is wrong? (Its somewhere around page 80, I don't have the book here right now). Or Juh had another wife by name Ish-keh We have many confusions with writing Apache names... rrrrrr! Apache language is very different from Indoeuropean languages |
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