sasja
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Post by sasja on Feb 5, 2014 5:28:25 GMT -5
Thank you Mithlo, for clearing some of the confusion up, never even entered my mind that Ih Tedda would be in the picture.
Coeurrouge I think I agree with you on the Na-dos-teh identification. According to Angie Debo: Whilst negotiating a peace Geronimo agreed to sent nine "prisoners" with Maus Listed as follows: Nana and one Buck The wife and child of both Geronimo and Naiche and one boy., also sister of Geronimo and one other woman. Geronimo's sister was of course, the wife of Nana, who accompanied her husband,. The wife he surrendered was the Young Ih-Tedda. His child was the little girl. ( p251-252).Naiche's wife Nadeyole and her son later known as Paul.
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Post by Mithlo on Feb 7, 2014 0:52:34 GMT -5
Nana and "another man"?? Wonder who the "other man" was?? Does anyone here know??
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Post by coeurrouge on Feb 8, 2014 15:16:08 GMT -5
Nana and "another man"?? Wonder who the "other man" was?? Does anyone here know?? Lt Maus came back to Fort Bowie with 9 prisonners: Nana and Nah-dos-te Ih-tedda and the four years old daughter of Geronimo Nah-de-yole and Paul Naiche her son One man, a woman and a young boy I think the 3 last persons were Nezegochin, Ni-Yah his wife and Chachee their 4 years old son. I think they wanted to rejoin their child Nahn-Ichkiah (9 years old)certainly taken prisonners on august 1885 by scouts. Leosanni, their daughter, maybe be stayed with her relative Nochlon, wife of Chappo. It would explain why Leosanni would be separated of her parents on march 1886 and flew away with Geronimo. It is just an idea.
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Post by kayitah on Mar 3, 2014 15:09:25 GMT -5
Charlotte Losanne and Nohchlon, wife of Chappo, Sept. 1886 at Fort Sam Houston, San Antonio TX. Photograph by F. Hardesty
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Post by kayitah on Mar 18, 2014 10:57:56 GMT -5
A story in my line of family speaks of my great, great, great grandmother (name unspoken) whom was well known among our people (Chiricahua) as being the only known woman who had "hair almost to the ground." She died in 1876. Over the years I have seen these photographs and wondered? I have seen two different dates - 1872 and 1873, also photo taken in Tombstone and photo taken in Tucson. Photographs by E. Andrews and company. Photo taken by E. Lovejoy and identified many ways......Mescalero woman.......Apache woman.......and Pueblo Indian....Pueblo - NO.....Mescalero - I doubt it.....Apache - YES!!!! CHIRICAHUA APACHE!!!! Look closely and you can see her left foot (Moccasins) and the distinctive "turned up toe" .......Chiricahua!!!! Also, does anyone have these photographs in better quality? or any other information? Mithlo Mithlo, it seems this is the same woman... what do you think?
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Post by patwin on Apr 14, 2014 15:50:35 GMT -5
Does anyone know what happened to (or whom were the descendants) of Nochlon; wife of Chappo?
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sasja
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Post by sasja on Apr 18, 2014 5:24:22 GMT -5
I read somewhere that Nochlon gave birth to a child around the time of Geronimo's surrender, apparently the next day(after giving birth) she mounted a horse and was with the rest of the tribe escorted under military guard to the fort. Not sure if the child lived through to adulthood. Or what happened to Nochlon.
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Post by Canace on Jun 16, 2014 19:27:04 GMT -5
It has been said for as long as I can remember, that I am, like, 4 0r 5 great grand daughter of Geromimo. How would I find out if these stories are true or not?
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Post by dT on Jun 16, 2014 21:58:16 GMT -5
many people say and believe this. it may be difficult to tell. your best bet is to trace you lineage - the people and where they lived. go back for 3-4 generations if you can. but its hard because the Apache culture was so torn up after the internment in Florida and Oklahoma. trace back what you can. then report it here ... and maybe you will get lucky.
otherwise - why worry. maybe you are right, maybe wrong. does it matter? if you wish, learn more about Chiricahua culture and you will be better off. your life will be a little richer. that is the real payoff.
Pete (dT)
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Post by coeurrouge on Jun 19, 2014 5:01:06 GMT -5
It has been said for as long as I can remember, that I am, like, 4 0r 5 great grand daughter of Geromimo. How would I find out if these stories are true or not? As I understand, Geronimo had only one son who had children. he was Robert borned as POW in florida in 1886. Few of Geronimo's children arrived at Manhood and had children, Their children except for Robert had no children.
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Post by BIRDIE on May 4, 2015 23:05:36 GMT -5
HELLO, MY GRANDFATHER, JOSE RUYBE [RUBI] WHO IS PRESENTLY DECEASED WAS PART OF THE MESCALERO APACHE INDIAN TRIBE. HE JOINED THE US ARMY IN THE 1909 ERA. I DO HAVE A PHOTO OF HIM AS A BLACKSMITH DURING HIS SERVICE AS A MILITARY MAN. I WAS WONDERING SINCE HIS TRUE NAME WAS RUBI AND THE ONE ON HIS MILITARY RECORD INDICATES IT AS RUYBE IF THERE IS A WAY THAT I COULD ASSOCIATE HIM TO HIS TRUE NAME. HE HAD ONE SISTER AND HIS PARENTS [MY GREAT GRAND PARENTS] DIED OF YELLOW FEVER AND ARE CURRENTLY BURIED NEAR SPRINGER, NEW MEXICO. I AM TRYING TO FIND MORE INFORMATION ON MY GRAND FATHER AND MY GRAND AUNT [EVA]. ANY AND ALL ASSISTANCE OR DIRECTION TO LEARN MORE ABOUT MY FAMILY HERITAGE WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED.
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Post by Skenika on Jul 28, 2015 14:21:30 GMT -5
Can anyone please tell me if they have a picture of Geronimo's daughter , who was called... JEAN. My mother had her picture but lost it when computer crashed. She married Naiche. , son of Cochise. My ansestery started from there. Thank you.
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Post by jasper4 on Jul 29, 2015 14:10:00 GMT -5
Can anyone please tell me if they have a picture of Geronimo's daughter , who was called... JEAN. My mother had her picture but lost it when computer crashed. She married Naiche. , son of Cochise. My ansestery started from there. Thank you. Naiche had 1st wife was Nah-de-yole,2nd wife E-clah-heh. his 3rd wife Ha-o-zinne. E-clah-heh was a great granddaughter of Chief Mahko of the Bedonkohes, and 2nd cousin of Geronimo and of Ish-keh who was wife of Chief Juh of the Nednais; and a 1st cousin of Fun, Tsisnah, Jozhe, Sam Haozous's father Goonah-hleenah, and Jason Betzinez. Their children were Dorothy, May, Bah-nas-kli, and Jane Naiche.
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Post by coeurrouge on Nov 6, 2016 12:44:55 GMT -5
In the Denver Public Library collection there is photograph of two Chiricahua women with caption "Geronimo's wives"... For a long time I have been wondering who these ladies are... It occurred to me that Sweeney says that, in May 1885, Geronimo sent two women, one his wife She ga, to Mescalero to test the waters there; either to find a place to live there, or to recruit dissattisfied Mescalero to join his small band... Both women were soon captured and later sent to Fort Apache, were they were freed by Geronimo a few months later. Sweeney says that Geronimo's camp near the Mescalero reservation was located near South Fork. With the photograph the info is added that the women were captured near South Fork. My conclusion is then that the image show Shega and the other woman (Shega's mother perhaps)... What do you guys think? If they were known as "Geronimo's wives" at left it certainly She-Gah, we stated. if the second was another Geronimo's wives: it was not She-gah or zi-Yeh,not Chee-Haskish. So as we known Geronimo had a fourth wife at this time Shsta-Eh. I think the woman on right was Shsta-Eh killed in june 1886 by Mexican federales.
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Post by naiches2 on Jun 14, 2017 11:46:55 GMT -5
Chiricahua Apache women mexican prisoners at Guaymas (Sonora), 1882. Photographer: Alfredo Laurent. Very sad.
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