sasja
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Post by sasja on Mar 18, 2011 13:57:44 GMT -5
I have to check my files, got info on all the warriors, but have to look it up. Meanwhile, a picture of Perico and his family at Fort Sill. Far left is Naiche?  Any idea which year the photo was taken, and who the ladies and children in the photo are? Thanks Saskia |
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Post by jeroen on Mar 21, 2011 5:18:06 GMT -5
Perhaps Perico can say more about this ancestor(s) picured here.
I Don't know exactly when this photo was taken, but it is in the Fort Sill years. His wife Hadunkey died at Fort Sill, but she may be one of the ladies, Perico's other wife, Biyaneta, is also likely in this image (the one next to Perico), she survived and later went to Mescalero with her husband.
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Post by kayitah on Mar 26, 2011 13:09:35 GMT -5
The only mention of a man called Lancey I can find so far is in the earlier posted Fort Marion image:  Giles was probably added as a first name later, but, to me, he does not look much like the mysterious man in white. but then again, the photographs are not very clear... His name is also spent Len-see. I am sure there is a mention of his name in either "The Apache Rock crumbles" or in one of Henrietta Stockel's books. |
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Post by jeroen on May 7, 2011 8:48:47 GMT -5
Just got the book "Chiricahua Apache enduring power; Naiche's Puberty Ceremony paintings", have to read it yet, but it seems promising:  |
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Post by bobby on Jun 11, 2011 15:42:12 GMT -5
Naiche (February 1912). Attachments:
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Post by jeroen on Jun 14, 2011 10:08:39 GMT -5
Thanks Bobby! He appears older in this portrait... It is said Naiche looked a lot like his father, so we can imagine a bit what Cochise may have looked like...
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Post by jeroen on Sept 10, 2011 11:11:23 GMT -5
I finally finished Trudy Griffin Pierce's book "Chiricahua Enduring Power; Naiche's Puberty Ceremony Paintings". Although only a small part is indeed reserved for the paintings (reproduced as drawings based on the historical hide paintings), much of the book deals with Chiricahua history with little new material. It is well researched and easy to read and the part explaining the Chiricahua's love for their land is really insightful. What really got my eye was a statement my the author that all the men with Naiche and Geronimo were photographed individually soon after reaching Fort Pickens... These portraits would be very interesting, to say the least...
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Post by Naiche Chiricahua on Nov 12, 2011 10:46:47 GMT -5
Great pictures Naiches! Here are a few more... beautiful portrait from life of Naiche by E.A. Burbank:  Naiche and Eugene Chihuahua  Christian Naiche Jr, son of the chief, and his wife  |
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Post by Naiche Chiricahua on Nov 12, 2011 10:51:59 GMT -5
My eternal appreciation to those who have posted photographs of my ancestors. I am so proud of my Apache heritage. It warms my heart and brings great light to my spirit.
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Post by jeroen on Nov 24, 2011 12:28:37 GMT -5
Posted here before, but not in this size and quality:  |
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Post by jeroen on Jul 29, 2012 2:58:47 GMT -5
An alternate version of the portrait above posted by Bobby, taken in february 1912. There are several images of that session. On that same occasion several photos of Chatto were also taken. The two men visited the studio (?) together (which would make sense for they were related and said to be on friendly terms)...  I am still searching for the day and year of death of Naiche... so far I got March 16th 1919, March 19th 1919 and, in many sources the year 1921. Anyone knows which is the correct one? |
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Post by gregor on Jul 29, 2012 14:29:12 GMT -5
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Post by cinemo on Jul 29, 2012 16:01:46 GMT -5
Hi jeroen and gregor, I think, Naiche died in 1921. This was stated by Benedict Jozhe, formerly chairman of the Fort Sill Apache Tribal Council Please see ( online ) A Brief History Of The Fort Sill Apache Tribe, by Benedict Jozhe digital.library.okstate.edu/Chronicles/v039/v039p427.pdfGreetings - cinemo |
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Post by gregor on Jul 30, 2012 3:46:24 GMT -5
B. Jozhe is a good source, but he himself seems to be not so sure about the date, because he says "about 1921". In other cases he says e.g. "in 1934". We have to consider that Jozhe lived in Oklahoma and Naiche at Mescalero, New Mexico. And the progressive Apache faction in Oklahoma was not always on good terms withe the traditional faction in New Mexico. I think the exact date has yet to be confirmed.
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Post by gregor on Jul 31, 2012 14:21:29 GMT -5
Hi, I looked up the Census Lists for the Mescalero Rez, which can be found here archive.org/stream/indiancensusroll255unit#page/n3/mode/2upIn 1915 we find Naiche at position 391 (his children follow), in 1918 we find Naiche at position 397, in 1919 we only find Naiches children on pos. 393, but Christian Naiche Sr. is not listet. In 1920 & 1921 we only find Naiches children and g-children on the list. So, I assume that the 1919 death date is correct. Gregor |
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