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Post by magendavid on Aug 31, 2011 7:38:39 GMT -5
absolutely brilliant. thanks so much :-)
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Post by naiche on Aug 31, 2011 20:42:59 GMT -5
I have to agree, brilliant! Thank you guys for the informations...And I really appreciate the opinion about his name. I'd also like to know why he dresses so well. Any clue? Maybe not just a common warrior. My guess is that the scarses informations we have about him is bcz he never wanted much contact with white men. Just guessing, ppl...
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Post by kayitah on Sept 1, 2011 4:22:14 GMT -5
Thank you so much, penjady!! I have just consulted my dictionary (unfortunately, it's Western Apache, not Chiricahua, so I don't know if it's a good basis even though it's just a different dialect within the same language). Here's what I found: adił (?) na'idziid (he works) ná’idzih (remaining/left over) nádziih (he is getting well/he will be healed) natseed (kill)
ádił natsikęęs (he grieves)penjady, can you please explain what the first part in "adiłnadzid" (adił) means? Thank you.
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Post by penjady on Sept 1, 2011 20:58:23 GMT -5
Thank you so much, penjady!! I have just consulted my dictionary (unfortunately, it's Western Apache, not Chiricahua, so I don't know if it's a good basis even though it's just a different dialect within the same language). Here's what I found: adił (?) na'idziid (he works) ná’idzih (remaining/left over) nádziih (he is getting well/he will be healed) natseed (kill)
ádił natsikęęs (he grieves)penjady, can you please explain what the first part in "adiłnadzid" (adił) means? Thank you. The Western Apache language and Chiricahua are about 25% the same. Same with Navajo. I don't know too much on their languages and don't want to say this or that about em. Back to the name: Atelnietze... I have asked a couple more people on what they thought it meant... I heard it said two different ways each with a different meaning. Both sounding credible as an Apache name so there is three different meanings so far. And I am sure if I keep going, there is going to be even more. So at this stage, it is hard to say for definite what it means. Just speculation. I have to point back on how u pronounce it really makes it easier/better to understand and break it down. Only if I had a recorder from the 1880's!
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Post by magendavid on Sept 1, 2011 23:37:36 GMT -5
If it may helps, Goodwin wrote it Adilnadzi*d, with a sign (similar to cross) on the L, and seems to me that he did took the effort to pronounce it correctly...
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Post by jeroen on Oct 8, 2011 12:15:34 GMT -5
Hey guys, I have been busy doing a lot of research lately for my new book, which will be about Chiricahua Apache history, but written in art, meaning paintings, studies, drawings etc... anyway, when browsing the collection of a Museum of Ethnography in Holland I came across a rare image of Loco... anybody knows when this portrait was taken?
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Post by kayitah on Oct 8, 2011 14:20:19 GMT -5
A very nice image, Jeroen! Thanks for uploading it! I see this photograph for the first time, but I think it might have been taken at Fort Marion.
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Post by penjady on Oct 17, 2011 18:45:49 GMT -5
Lesson from an Apache speaker. I may know of his contact information
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Post by kayitah on Oct 18, 2011 9:04:22 GMT -5
Thanks a lot, penjady! That's Oliver Enjady, right? I have contact to an Apache speaker and teacher at San Carlos, a very nice and interesting man.
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Post by penjady on Oct 18, 2011 15:15:20 GMT -5
Thanks a lot, penjady! That's Oliver Enjady, right? I have contact to an Apache speaker and teacher at San Carlos, a very nice and interesting man. Yup.
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Post by naiches2 on Oct 19, 2011 10:27:52 GMT -5
Hey guys, I have been busy doing a lot of research lately for my new book, which will be about Chiricahua Apache history, but written in art, meaning paintings, studies, drawings etc... anyway, when browsing the collection of a Museum of Ethnography in Holland I came across a rare image of Loco... anybody knows when this portrait was taken? Very nice image and new for me. It is amazing how much new can be found in the history of the Apaches.
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Post by jeroen on Oct 25, 2011 2:14:04 GMT -5
A friend sent me this one... To me it seems like a cropped image of a Fly photo at Embudos... I think the man standing at left is Cathlay...
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Post by naiches2 on Oct 25, 2011 4:59:59 GMT -5
A friend sent me this one... To me it seems like a cropped image of a Fly photo at Embudos... I think the man standing at left is Cathlay... Yes, is from Embudos. Attachments:
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Post by kayitah on Oct 25, 2011 6:19:57 GMT -5
It's a shame C.S. Fly didn't have a modern camera of today's standard... Anyone here who knows a way how to travel back in time?
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Post by kayitah on Oct 26, 2011 7:58:34 GMT -5
A friend sent me this one... To me it seems like a cropped image of a Fly photo at Embudos... I think the man standing at left is Cathlay... It's a view of the scouts' camp, so I don't think it's Cathlay. Great photograph, though
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