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Post by kakarns on Sept 22, 2019 4:41:10 GMT -5
Ghost Eagle - Thank you for the website info.. I will give that a try. To answer your question about, what part of Missouri my Grandparent's moved to when they left SD, it was Mexico, MO. I will send Dietmar a photo to share. It's the only one I have from when, they relocated. kakarns
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Post by kakarns on Sept 19, 2019 18:04:59 GMT -5
ephriam - I knew I had read a little on this topic. In a book titled;
"French-Indian Families In America's West" by Irma R. Miller Refer: Chapter 9, "ON THE PINE RIDGE, Colorado Outcast...Where Now, Father?...The Strip" pg.'s 73 & 74
Included on the pg.'s mentioned above, is a quoted letter from Chief Little Wound to Agent McGillycuddy. In the letter, Chief Little Wound makes a suggestion to the Agent.
"When the Great Father puts boundaries around the Indian reservation why doesn't he take a range of mountains or a river which the Great Spirit makes the country with and which never moves ?"
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Post by kakarns on Sept 16, 2019 3:12:35 GMT -5
Red Dog (2) Cont.: More on one of Samuel Red Dog's daughters, Esther:
169. Esther5 Red Dog (Fannie4 Bissonette, Peter3, Julia2 Hebert, Chief Day1), born 6 Jan 1912 in Pine Ridge, Shannon, South Dakota; died 9 Jul 1959 in Pine Ridge, Shannon, South Dakota. She married Jonas Wilson Brave Heart, born 4 Feb 1910 in Pine Ridge, Shannon, South Dakota, son of Joseph Brave Heart and Alice (---). Notes for Esther Red Dog 30 Jun 1915 Pine Ridge 1 Jan 1937 Pine Ridge Notes for Jonas Wilson Brave Heart 30 Jun 1915 Pine Ridge 30 Jun 1829 Pine Ridge 1 Jan 1937 Pine Ridge
Children of Esther Red Dog and Jonas Wilson Brave Heart were as follows: 373 i Wilson Jones6 Brave Heart, born 7 Sep 1936 in Pine Ridge, Shannon, South Dakota. Notes: 1 Jan 1937 Pine Ridge
Refer: LaDeane
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Sept 16, 2019 3:03:57 GMT -5
Post by kakarns on Sept 16, 2019 3:03:57 GMT -5
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Post by kakarns on Sept 16, 2019 2:58:32 GMT -5
Couldn't sleep this a.m. so, did somemore research concerning the Elbert Chief (married Hattie Fills the Pipe) connection to the "Red Dog" family.
Samuel Red Dog (2):
58. Fannie4 Bissonette (Peter3, Julia2 Hebert, Chief Day1), born Aug 1887 in Pine Ridge, Shannon, South Dakota; died 2 Feb 1930 in Pine Ridge, Shannon, South Dakota. She married Samuel Red Dog, born 1890 in Pine Ridge, Shannon, South Dakota, son of Red Dog (---) and White Cow (---). Notes for Fannie Bissonette 30 Jun 1915 Pine Ridge Notes for Samuel Red Dog 30 Jun 1915 Pine Ridge
Children of Fannie Bissonette and Samuel Red Dog were as follows: 168 i Huron5 Red Dog, born 3 Jun 1909 in Pine Ridge, Shannon, South Dakota. + 169 ii Esther5 Red Dog, born 6 Jan 1912 in Pine Ridge, Shannon, South Dakota; died 9 Jul 1959 in Pine Ridge, Shannon, South Dakota. She married Jonas Wilson Brave Heart. 170 iii Irene5 Red Dog, born 27 Apr 1915 in Pine Ridge, Shannon, South Dakota. 171 iv Virginia5 Red Dog, born 4 Dec 1919 in Pine Ridge, Shannon, South Dakota. 172 v Peter5 Red Dog, born 30 Sep 1922 in Pine Ridge, Shannon, South Dakota. 173 vi Norah5 Red Dog, born 28 Jul 1926 in Pine Ridge, Shannon, South Dakota.
Refer: Tanya LaDeane
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Post by kakarns on Sept 15, 2019 8:51:09 GMT -5
Before I call it a night, I feel the need to say a few things. 1.) Thank you American Tribes. Thank you for everything. 2.) I have to admit something. Since, I have always considered myself somewhat of a straight shooter. So, here it goes...bottom lining it. I buried myself in my lineage research to stay sober. Doing my research and having the freedom of sharing it here, on American Tribes has given me much pride. Research saved my life. Truth. 3.) My Grandparent's - Lester W. & Ruby M. Karns, left South Dakota in the year 1938. I believe at that time, they already had 8 children. I truly believe that my Grandpa, Lester W. Karns loaded his family up and headed to Missouri to farm, only because, he was trying to survive and keep his family fed. 4.) My Grandma Ruby was Charging Eagle's, Great Granddaughter. 5.) Lester and Ruby Karns, moved to Iowa in 1942 to pursue farming with his Father, Clarence E. Karns. Thank you for reading my posts. kakarns kakarns I'm a new member, having spent months reading many threads on here before joining and I'm still finding new ones that are great to read, your story is very interesting. Please keep updating. If you ever decide to write about your research methods and sources and the mistakes, if any, that you learned from, I'd love to hear about it. What part of Missouri may I ask did they settle in? I have family south of Rolla that has been there since 1876. Into that German and Scottish line came my grandmother from Oklahoma as an orphan and one of her only memories of her mother was that she was native, it was obvious with my grandmother's olive skin, dark hair and the proverbial high cheekbones. This was enough circumstantial evidence for the family to believe we had a little Native American blood. It's since been confirmed, but I want to find all those storylines to their recorded endings, all the names, places, bands, relations. Reading a thread such as yours is very motivating, thank you Technology is not my strongest skill. Sorry, it took me forever to respond Ghost Eagle. My biggest weakness in doing my research is, not taking time to be more organized with my files and notes. Right now, additional issue's occur due to Microsoft telling me I need to purchase a new "Office Software". Until I do, I cannot even open files which, I created with the old (trial) software. Thank you for your kind words and good luck in your research. Respectfully, kakarns
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Sept 15, 2019 8:33:56 GMT -5
Post by kakarns on Sept 15, 2019 8:33:56 GMT -5
"John Kills A Hundred" (at age 73) stated during a interview at Pine Ridge Agency, S. Dak, on September 23, 1923 that he was indeed, the son of; "Red Dog".
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Sept 15, 2019 8:19:57 GMT -5
Post by kakarns on Sept 15, 2019 8:19:57 GMT -5
I found a link today which, does contain a statement from; "Silas Fills the Pipe"
In, Fills the Pipe's statement, he does state that his Father was; "Red Dog" from the Wounded Knee District.
I may have found the confirmation that I was searching for.
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Sept 14, 2019 6:56:20 GMT -5
Post by kakarns on Sept 14, 2019 6:56:20 GMT -5
Reviewed some of my notes and found this April 3, 2011 post from; Tanya. (See above)
I would still like some help concerning more verification. It would be much appreciated.
After the post above, I did make contact with Tanya. It is very fortunate for me that, my late relative, Dave Chief had shared some good family lineage information with her. Which, does state for example; Dave Chief's wife, Hattie Fills The Pipe was a relative to Red Dog and Kills A Hundred, etc.
Thank you, kakarns
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Sept 14, 2019 6:43:27 GMT -5
Post by kakarns on Sept 14, 2019 6:43:27 GMT -5
Apr 3, 2011 at 3:03pm zouzoute1 likes this Quote Post by Dietmar on Apr 3, 2011 at 3:03pm A website visitor has send me this information on Kicking Bear and his cousin Elbert Chief: Kicking Bear is one of 3 brothers by his father Black Fox and mother Iron Cedar Woman. Kicking Bear, Flying Hawk and Black Fox II. Kicking Bear had one daughter and 3 sons. The one son that lived on into the 1900's is Thunderbird or Frank Kicking Bear. My friend Dave Yakima Chief, Oglala Lakota, now deceased, told me in 1998 that his father, Elbert Chief was first cousins with Frank Kicking Bear. Elbert's father was Thunderbird and his mother was Goes Out With It or Rising Sun. They all (Kicking Bear, Chief and Black Elk too) lived in Manderson, The Wounded Knee District. The Thunderbird name is familial lineage I see. Dave Chief's Lakota Oglala name was Wakinyan also or Thunder. maybe Thunderbird. Dave Chief's mother was Hattie Fills the Pipe whose father was Silas Fills the Pipe and his father was Red Dog. I want to confirm the first cousin relatinship between Elbert Chief and Frank Kicking Bear. Thank you, Tanya Thank you Tanya for sharing this! Read more: amertribes.proboards.com/thread/263/kicking-bear-short-bull?page=2#ixzz5zUyBNC17
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Post by kakarns on Sept 14, 2019 6:01:15 GMT -5
It has been stated that, one of Red Dog's sons was; Fills The Pipe. Was this, Silas Fills The Pipe ?
Hattie Fills The Pipe, daughter of Silas, married; Elbert (Albert) Chief.
They are my relatives. Therefore, I am seeking clarification.
Thank you ! kakarns
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Post by kakarns on Sept 8, 2019 11:17:20 GMT -5
If, you have not viewed yet, please refer to the "RED DOG" thread here on American Tribes.
"Kills A Hundred" may also be know as; "Kills One Hundred".
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Post by kakarns on Sept 8, 2019 10:24:00 GMT -5
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Post by kakarns on Jun 17, 2019 4:52:23 GMT -5
FEB 16 1887 CUT OFF SIOUX - LITTLE WOUND CHARGING EAGLE 1834 -YELLOW WOLF -LONE/ONE FEATHER 1849 Yellow Wolf, I would like it very much if, we could talk sometime. The "Charging Eagle" you have listed was my; G.G.G. Grandfather. I think there is a very good chance that, we may be related. Thanks, kakarns
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Post by kakarns on Jun 16, 2019 3:48:53 GMT -5
When, referring to my relative Black Lodge, b. 4-18-1819 d.3-5-1911, I thought I should mention the following;
a.) Black Lodge per Allotment is (aka) "Her Black Lodge" b.) Black Lodge per Rosebud Estate Record is (aka) "Spotted Tails Widow #2"
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