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Post by Diane Merkel on Apr 12, 2010 23:59:10 GMT -5
Bernie,
Your link goes to the file on your computer, so we can't see it. If you can upload it to a photo site and link to that, we will be able to see it. Otherwise, feel free to send the photo to Dietmar or me and we'll post it for you.
Diane
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Post by Dietmar on Apr 14, 2010 16:03:28 GMT -5
Here´s Bernie´s excellent painting of Kicking Bear: Kicking Bear by Bernie John
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Post by jeroen on May 16, 2010 5:50:39 GMT -5
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Post by Dietmar on Apr 3, 2011 15:03:51 GMT -5
A website visitor has send me this information on Kicking Bear and his cousin Elbert Chief: Kicking Bear is one of 3 brothers by his father Black Fox and mother Iron Cedar Woman. Kicking Bear, Flying Hawk and Black Fox II. Kicking Bear had one daughter and 3 sons. The one son that lived on into the 1900's is Thunderbird or Frank Kicking Bear. My friend Dave Yakima Chief, Oglala Lakota, now deceased, told me in 1998 that his father, Elbert Chief was first cousins with Frank Kicking Bear. Elbert's father was Thunderbird and his mother was Goes Out With It or Rising Sun. They all (Kicking Bear, Chief and Black Elk too) lived in Manderson, The Wounded Knee District. The Thunderbird name is familial lineage I see. Dave Chief's Lakota Oglala name was Wakinyan also or Thunder. maybe Thunderbird. Dave Chief's mother was Hattie Fills the Pipe whose father was Silas Fills the Pipe and his father was Red Dog. I want to confirm the first cousin relatinship between Elbert Chief and Frank Kicking Bear. Thank you, Tanya Thank you Tanya for sharing this!
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Post by grahamew on Jun 19, 2011 13:54:20 GMT -5
I suppose we should have had a separate thread for Short Bull...
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Post by Dietmar on Jun 20, 2011 9:21:01 GMT -5
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Post by Dietmar on Feb 6, 2012 10:05:23 GMT -5
Kicking Bear
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Post by grahamew on Feb 23, 2013 11:08:19 GMT -5
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Post by dingy on Mar 3, 2013 3:48:42 GMT -5
Ghost Dance Leader's Vase: Marked Verus porcelain on the bottom. Made by the Oliver glass co in Sebring Ohio from 1899 to 1908. The vase is two sided. Kicking Bear named on one side and Short Bull on the reverse.
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Post by gregor on Mar 3, 2013 7:01:45 GMT -5
It's amazing with which items people try to make money. BTW, in Germany we would call this vase "Kitsch", which describes a mass-produced worthless piece of art or design using cultural icons.
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Post by kakarns on Mar 8, 2013 3:53:02 GMT -5
A website visitor has send me this information on Kicking Bear and his cousin Elbert Chief: Kicking Bear is one of 3 brothers by his father Black Fox and mother Iron Cedar Woman. Kicking Bear, Flying Hawk and Black Fox II. Kicking Bear had one daughter and 3 sons. The one son that lived on into the 1900's is Thunderbird or Frank Kicking Bear. My friend Dave Yakima Chief, Oglala Lakota, now deceased, told me in 1998 that his father, Elbert Chief was first cousins with Frank Kicking Bear. Elbert's father was Thunderbird and his mother was Goes Out With It or Rising Sun. They all (Kicking Bear, Chief and Black Elk too) lived in Manderson, The Wounded Knee District. The Thunderbird name is familial lineage I see. Dave Chief's Lakota Oglala name was Wakinyan also or Thunder. maybe Thunderbird. Dave Chief's mother was Hattie Fills the Pipe whose father was Silas Fills the Pipe and his father was Red Dog. I want to confirm the first cousin relatinship between Elbert Chief and Frank Kicking Bear. Thank you, Tanya Thank you Tanya for sharing this! Dietmar, I am wondering if, you still have contact with this person named; Tanya ? Or, could you get in touch with her again ? There is a very strong possibility that I am related to this "Chief" family. I am trying to figure out the connection (relationship) to my G.G.G. Grandfather Charging Eagle. Several members from this family are listed on the Charging Eagle Allotment. amertribes.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=genealogy&action=display&thread=1411I have been researching this for months with the help of LaDeane Miller. I have put together a "rough draft" of, a chart which starts with "Bad Teeth", "Crow Feather", "Shoots For Them", "Kicking Bear" etc., (and for now), ends with "Dave Yakima Chief" b. June 25, 1930 d. June 10, 2005. I need more help with information on some of these people. One example is; Shoots For Them b. 1820-22. I cannot find much information on this man. I may stand corrected but, it looks like (according to Census records), Shoots For Them married two sister's named; "White" b. 1825-27 and "Iron Track" b. 1831-33. Any help would be appreciated ! Refer's.: American Tribes site Dietmar LaDeane Miller Mike Stevens site Thank you, kakarns
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Post by Dietmar on Mar 8, 2013 10:19:09 GMT -5
kakarns,
I sent you a PM.
Dietmar
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Post by grahamew on Apr 14, 2017 5:01:25 GMT -5
Kicking Bear in 'natural costume': Wonder if there's a similar one of Short Bull...
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Post by OAR on Oct 1, 2017 2:29:21 GMT -5
Hello,
I have exhausted all possible material and research on Kicking Bear and I cannot find the reason for his death in 1904. Does anyone know his cause of death? When he died he would have been in his fifties I believe. Also, how many children did he have living at the time of his death?
Thank you!
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Post by ted on May 28, 2019 14:42:37 GMT -5
We had a great thread on the old board, so I hope it's all right to post this here, because I don't remember seeing it on littlebighorninfo: It's by George Spencer, presumably at Fort Sheridan. Here's Short Bull by Heyn, which I also don't remember seeing on the previous thread. I know this is the Minikojou thread, but the two men are linked... The man standing in the centre of the back row is supposed to be Short Bull, but the only other men I recognise are Oglala. He also looks rather tall; on other group photos I've seen, he's not a particularly tall man. It's one of a series of images feauring Jack Red Cloud and Little Wound; I'll post all those I have on the Oglala thread:
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