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Post by kingsleybray on Mar 16, 2021 11:04:44 GMT -5
thanks carlo for the additional detail that Little Wound was with Young Man Afraid of His Horse at the time of the latter's death. Could you set out as much information as you've got? Thanks!
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Post by kingsleybray on Mar 9, 2021 9:12:50 GMT -5
there is a photograph taken by the wife of George Bird Grinnell, of Little Wolf as an old man, with his wife. Reproduced in a number of books. Does the wife in the later photograph resemble any of the women in this S J Morrow 1879 image? A perfunctory glance suggests the woman seated far left above, but my eye isn't great.
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Post by kingsleybray on Feb 7, 2021 14:56:56 GMT -5
yes, shan, this concept was widespread on the plains: a war leader "counts to his credit all the exploits of his followers". The coup feathers in a warbonnet, and the scalplock fringes on a war shirt, related to all the exploits by a war leader and his followers.
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Post by kingsleybray on Jan 14, 2021 18:08:02 GMT -5
According to the Standing Rock Agency federal census for 1881, there was a man named Black Cloud, Mahpiya Sapa, who was head of a family in Mad Bear's band of Yanktonai or Ihanktonwanna. This Black Cloud was noted as 27 years old, so born about 1854. He had a wife age 24, born about 1857, her name given in Lakota as Ta-ti, translated as One Who Goes Out to Live It. They had two sons in their household, 7 year old Pejutaskana, White Medicine, and 4 year old Paul.
The census lists them as the second family after the band chief Mad Bear, who was an influential leader at Standing Rock. Perhaps there is a family connection, I don't know.
This census has been published in book form by one of American-tribe.com's most knowledgeable contributors, Ephriam Dickson, The Sitting Bull Surrender Census: The Lakotas at Standing Rock Agency, 1881, published by South Dakota Historical Society. Worth checking out in a library.
Hope this helps make a start.
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Post by kingsleybray on Dec 20, 2020 13:49:47 GMT -5
thanks, Diane, and special thanks to Lilah Morton Pengra, this is exciting new information and analysis. Wopila Ota!!
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Post by kingsleybray on Dec 18, 2020 17:40:05 GMT -5
Big Mouth with 200 followers (about one third of the entire Loafer or Wagluhe band) left Fort Laramie late in June 1867 at the request of the Fetterman Investigative Commission, to relocate to the new Upper Platte Agency at North Platte City, Nebraska. Interpreter Leon Palladay managed to blag the whole outfit free transportation on the eastbound Union Pacific cars. The party debarked at North Platte on July 8th.
Could that date fit with Carbutt's activiites?
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Post by kingsleybray on Dec 17, 2020 17:41:44 GMT -5
Dietmar, could the photograph we're considering ("Group of Ogalallah Sioux at North Platte") be connected to the arrival of the westbound Union Pacific Railroad? The end of track reached North Platte on December 3, 1867.
The top hatted gents look like local boosters at a major event. Newspaper accounts of end of track events at North Platte? with mentions of Indians?
Over the winter 1866-67 the location became the supply depot for UP materiel. North Platte township was formally established in early 1867. At some point between February and April (so, roughly March . . . ), 1867, Agent M. T. Patrick moved the Upper Platte Indian Agency from Ft Laramie to North Platte. This is presumably too late to be relevant to the photograph (drat), but North Platte did become the agency then till Patrick packed up in summer 1868.
Man Who Walks Underground was a regular visitor to the agency at North Platte. Incidentally, the proceedings of the Fetterman Investigative Commission cover a council at California Crossing beginning April 20, 1867. Spotted Tail's Brules were the main Lakota attendees, but these Oglalas were mentioned, all coming from camps on the Republican river:
CHIEFS: Man Who Walks Underground Standing Cloud Big Head SOLDIER: Fire Thunder
grahamew, I don't recognize the guy at the left, but your point is sound.
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Post by kingsleybray on Dec 14, 2020 18:08:33 GMT -5
thanks Dietmar. Absolutely nothing to compare this photo to, but I'm wondering if this could be Man Who Walks Underground. Lots of references to him from July 1866 through September 1868, when he was killed, leading a Southern Oglala band which was usually considered 'friendly'. Does Ephriam have any thoughts on this?
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Post by kingsleybray on Dec 14, 2020 7:36:46 GMT -5
grahamew, dietmar, photo experts: is there any indication when in 1866 the above photo was taken? Given the year I think the Oglala subjects can't be Wagluhe band -- i.e. the band of Big Mouth and his brother Blue Horse. They should be Southern Oglala, the tribal sub-division focussed on the Kiyuksa band. We have some -- not enough, but some -- contemporary data that allow us to reconstruct Kiyuksa band movements. If we had a timeline maybe we could identify the group better. We obviously have a senior chief seated centre, flanked by two of his young men / leading warriors (left of image), plus six or seven senior males seated right, and all surrounded by the band's womenfolk. I wonder if a dance and / or feast was about to take place?
The main Southern Oglala chiefs of the day included:
Bad Wound Whistler Big Head / Brain (Nasula Tanka) Pawnee Killer Little Wound
The seated chief is neither of the last two.
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Post by kingsleybray on Nov 16, 2020 17:58:55 GMT -5
yes I thought the resemblance was striking btw Rocky Bear and the man in the Red Leaf group
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Post by kingsleybray on Nov 16, 2020 9:33:31 GMT -5
A note for Dietmar and Koos: take a look at the two tintypes made by Lt Thomas Wilhelm at Red Cloud Agency. In each case depicting a small group of Oglala men, children, plus officers from Camp Robinson. One focuses on chief Red Dog, the other on chief Red Leaf. In both tintypes is a younger Oglala man, holding an eagle wing fan and wearing a broad brimmed hat and a blanket with a broad beaded central strip. The medallion or rosette looks very similar to the one on Rocky Bear's blanket strip in the 1870 delegation shot posted above. Another petal shaped design?
Hope this helps.
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Post by kingsleybray on Oct 6, 2020 16:16:55 GMT -5
no I'm afraid I don't carlo. Sounds an interesting story and source!
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Post by kingsleybray on Aug 26, 2020 16:28:26 GMT -5
Black Buffalo Woman's parents were Red Cloud's brother (half brother in Euro-American terms) Spider, also known as Tall Hollow Horn, and a daughter of Old Man Afraid of His Horse. I don't have her name.
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Post by kingsleybray on Aug 11, 2020 3:09:41 GMT -5
thanks grahame, I've often wanted a blowup of this image. You sense the seriousness of the occasion on the men's faces, the enormity of the choices facing them in a transformed world.
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Post by kingsleybray on Jul 29, 2020 9:41:27 GMT -5
I'm sure that Iron Tail must have been in the camp at the Little Bighorn. His family all was, and in 1876 he was a youth in his late teens, still living in the lodge of his father Little Hawk. In fact I have to opine that he is the second named adult male in Little Hawk's family in the Crazy Horse Surrender Ledger (data taken May 1877), bearing the lewd nickname Snatch Stealer, presumably a reference to his skirt-chasing propensities as a young fellow.
Iron Tail's older brother Black White Man was killed in the Custer fight.
The age statistics on Oglala warrior society membership, tabled in Clark Wissler's classic monograph, indicate that in and about 1876 Iron Tail was a member of the Tokala, and possibly the Crow Owner societies.
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