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Post by kingsleybray on Feb 25, 2024 7:08:26 GMT -5
Dietmar and I have done some work on this photograph. There were several others done at the same time. We'll come back with some facts and thoughts. A lot of id's. I too thought Red Cloud right away, but on deeper reflection not sure.
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Post by kingsleybray on Feb 23, 2024 7:41:05 GMT -5
The assignment of No Neck to Kiglaska was a educated guess on my part but proved wrong. I have been told directly by a very knowledgeable Lakota elder that No Neck belonged to Siksicela. The rest of my reconstruction, that the Kiglaska band chief until 1868 was Loud Voiced Hawk, was confirmed. LVH was killed accidentally, falling from horseback into his own knife. I have been told that holy man Black Moon, Sun Dance Intercessor for the Hunkpapa from 1856,married into Kiglaska and was resident in that band.
Hope this helps.
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Post by kingsleybray on Jan 21, 2024 6:14:17 GMT -5
I think the majority of the first group to go to Canada in fall 1876 was of the Talonapin or Raw Meat Necklace tiyospaye. Little Knife I'm fairly sure belonged to Talonapin, I'm not sure about Lodge Pole. This is a topic I'm hoping to research in coming weeks.. Band composition of the Lakotas going to Canada in 1877.
The last group crossing the line in spring 1877 was about 135 lodges of Hunkpapa, Sans Arc, Miniconjou and Oglala led overall by Sitting Bull. The Hunkpapa were about 45 lodges, like this: (a) Icira, Sitting Bull (b) Talonapin, Pretty Bear (wakicunze) (c) Siksicela, No Neck (wakicunze). Each about 15 lodges give or take.
Hope this helps.
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Post by kingsleybray on Sept 16, 2023 12:28:05 GMT -5
Spotted Horn Bull belonged to the Talonapin (Raw Meat Necklace) tiyospaye of Hunkpapa, as did Bear's Hat. I think they were the largest of the non-treaty Hunkpapa tiyospaye in the 1870s and 80s.
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Post by kingsleybray on Aug 23, 2023 3:00:49 GMT -5
esimotso, and others who've thought about this stuff, is there maybe a connection back from the Yamparika local group (late 19th century) Pibianigwai (Loud Talkers) to the band identified in Spanish documents (mid-18th century) as "Pivianes"?
Please keep us posted on the forthcoming article.
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Post by kingsleybray on Aug 2, 2023 4:39:34 GMT -5
And thanks Dietmar for the image. It suggests some affinity between Cheevers and Tabenanica and their respective Yamparika sub-bands, doesn't it?
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Post by kingsleybray on Aug 2, 2023 4:37:27 GMT -5
Thanks Esimotso. Do you mean the Ditsakana band? It's usually translated Sewers. I thought Detsanayuka (Bad Campers) was an older name for the Nokoni band.
The Chief whose name is sometimes rendered as Quitsquip is said to have been the headman of Ditsakana in the 1870 period. There was definitely some connection between him and Tabenanica, but I don't know what it was. Quitsquip seems more inclined to be on friendly terms with the US than Tabenanica. It would be interesting to dive deeper into Yamparika band politics! For which the beginning of all wisdom is Thomas Kavanagh's volume on "Comanche Political History: An Ethnohistorical Perspective" (Uni Nebraska Press, 1996).
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Post by kingsleybray on Jul 30, 2023 11:09:41 GMT -5
Do we know the name of Tabananica's local group of Yamparika?
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Post by kingsleybray on Jun 28, 2023 4:19:11 GMT -5
I've now been able to extend the line of leadership back through the 17th century to the time the band was founded by White Shell. See amended posting at the top of the thread.
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Post by kingsleybray on Jun 25, 2023 4:40:44 GMT -5
This important Miniconjou tiyospaye was founded, according to winter count traditions shared with me, at a great gathering of Lakota, Dakota, and Cheyenne people at Pipestone Quarry in 1623.
Ive been able to create a sequence of the main tiyospaye leadership over the period 1623-1875+. The leaders are all drawn from one family, but not necessarily as father to son. In one case (Corn Man I) a son-in-law succeeded as chief.
Time frame 1623+ White Shell 1650+ Backbone 1675+ Road 1700+ Whirlwind 1720+ Buffalo Cloud 1745+ Red Ghost 1770+ Ghost Shadow 1795+ Corn Man I (killed 1809) 1810+ Corn Man II (died 1847) 1850+ White Hollow Horn 1875+ Little Bear
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Post by kingsleybray on Aug 5, 2022 11:45:38 GMT -5
Can I ask you, Emily, what project you're working involving Little Wolf?
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Post by kingsleybray on Jul 4, 2022 10:48:38 GMT -5
Here is a link to a very useful summary article by A. H. Schroeder, 'Shifting for Survival in the Spanish Southwest', which fits the Apache experience in the 17th-18th centuries into a wider regional context. digitalrepository.unm.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2050&context=nmhrHe sums up the evidence on Jocome-Gila Apache alliance and raiding in the 1680s-1710 timeframe like this (pp 300-301): "[p. 300] Northern Gila Apaches to the west of the Rio Grande continued to hammer the Zuni pueblos, while the Apaches of southern New Mexico ranged south of the present international border in the early 1680'S. In 1684 the latter formed an alliance with the Sumas, Janos, and Jocomes of western Chihuahua and eastern Sonora.33 During the 1690'S a vanguard of southern Gila Apaches, in company with Janos and Jocomes of northern Mexico and southeastern Arizona, began attacking Opata Indians in Sonora, Sobaipuri Indians along the upper San Pedro River of present southeastern Arizona, and mission rancherias which were expanding north at this time. By the opening of the eighteenth century these Apaches began to use the Chiricahua Mountain area as a home [p.301] base, absorbing or displacing the local Jocomes in the process." The way I see it is that the Jocome were a non-Apache, non-Athapaskan speaking group. They became tightly allied to the Gila Apache from the 1680s into the mid-18th century, ultimately merging into the Chiricahua Apache as the Chokonen band or division. I don't agree with Forbes that the Jocomes (and others) were always of Apache stock. It seems possible that the Nedhni were derived in a similar way from the Janos people.
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Post by kingsleybray on Jul 2, 2022 10:17:03 GMT -5
Very useful indeed to all serious Apache researchers! Are Parts I to III available online as well?
I'm not an Apache specialist, but wanted to ask what do the experts on American-tribes think about the possible connection from the Jocome, mentioned in late 17th and 18th century Spanish sources, to the Chokonen band of Chiricahua Apache in the 19th century?
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Post by kingsleybray on May 23, 2022 16:37:52 GMT -5
The Slow Bull family history demonstrates the way family and tiyospaye identities re-emerged across the generations. There may be a little more detail to adduce, but the way I understand it now is that the paternal great-grandfather of Slow Bull (born c. 1823) was a man named Black Day Coming, born probably in the 1720s. he belonged to the Oyuhpe band of the Oglala oyate. The Oyuhpe had emerged as a distinct tiyospaye in 1710, when they divided from the Hunkpatila. Families from other tiyospaye (notably the Wablenica band of ancestral Sicangu) also went into the Oyuhpe formation.
Black Day Coming is known to have led a war party against the "Pawnee" (or Arikara?) in 1752. He married into the Miniconjou oyate, and went to live with that tribal division. I don't know whether he went by himself, or whether he went in the year 1767 -- when the whole Oyuhpe band realigned from the Oglala to the Miniconjou, with whom they mostly lived until 1835.
Anyway, Black Day Coming's son was Bull Appearing, Tatanka Hinape. I think we can equate him with the man mentioned in the Edmond Meany 1907 interview with Slow Bull's son and namesake - the man who had a vision of the buffalo and had the sacred buffalo calling tipi made.
Bull Appearing's son was Slow Bull, the father of the chief born in 1823. To judge from the Meany interview he may have had the second name Smoke.There was a relationship to the Oglala chief Smoke (1789-1864) of some sort of cousin, tahansi, nature, but I don't know exactly how it worked.
Then Slow Bull the chief whose photograph was taken at Ft Laramie was born c. 1823. Three years later,in 1826, his father and namesake was one of the leading men who formed a new tiyospaye of Miniconjou, the Waglezaowin. They were largely composed of Wakpokiyan and Oyuhpe people. Their chief was Little Crow. The High Backbone family were also prominent. The Slow Bull family must have been ritualists and buffalo dreamers prominent in the tiyospaye and before 1826 in its antecedents.
By the 1860s 'our' Slow Bull was a prominent man, a wakicunze in Waglezaowin. At that time the main band chief or Wicasa Itancan was Flying By. High Backbone, the friend and mentor of Crazy Horse, was the leading akicita.
In 1872 Slow Bull was the leader of a camp of Miniconjou (people drawn from several bands) which chose to settle with the Oglala at Red Cloud Agency No. 1. Over time the core of the band assimilated into -- or back into -- the Oyuhpe band.
I don't know anything about Slow Bull's wife or her family background at this stage.
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Post by kingsleybray on May 17, 2022 10:44:14 GMT -5
Congratulations, couerrouge, that's quite an achievement.
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