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Post by tkavanagh on Aug 14, 2014 16:54:42 GMT -5
Usually spelled Quassyah (/kwasi/ 'tail', /sia/' feather', and usually translated as 'Eagle Tail Feather' although the 'eagle' is implied rather than explicit). Of him, Hoebel stated: A member of the Those Who Move Often Band. Quiet, responsible and respected, one of the most reliable of Comanche informants, inclined however, to resist rapport with whites. Age 56. [Hoebel 1940:143] According to the censuses and the Family Record Book, Quassyah was born between 1862 and 1865 and was between sixty-eight and seventy-one years old in 1933. The Family Record Book lists his father as Pahkeah, corroborated by Post Oak Jim (July 14), and his mother as Sahvora. In contrast to Hoebel’s attribution of Quassyah to the Noyûhka division, both Pahkeah and Quassyah were associated with Yuniwat’s and then with Pahdi’s local Yapainûû bands. Quassyah married Toarchi, daughter of the early modern Peyote man, Poewat, but apparently none of his children survived beyond 1920. In the 1890s, Quassyah was a member of the Kiowa Agency police, and possibly chief of Police in 1901. He was elected to the Kiowa-Comanche-Apache Business Committee in 1916. That year, the agent said of him, [He is] connected with the Peyote eaters and is looked upon as a leader. I believe he will not be antagonistic to government policies if permitted to serve as committeeman. [Stinchicum 1916] However, the business committee was disbanded the next year as unnecessary with allotment. Despite Hoebel’s characterization of him as “inclined . . . to resist rapport with whites,” Quassyah was a most experienced consultant; he was interviewed by Robert Lowie in 1912 (see Appendix A), by Günter Wagner in 1932 (Wagner 1932b), by Wilbur Nye in 1933 (Nye 1969), and by George Herzog and David McAllester in 1939 (Herzog and McAllester 1939).
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Post by tkavanagh on Jun 28, 2014 18:09:01 GMT -5
PS the above "A close up from a photograph in the Lawrence T. Jones collection, dated 1908-10" is by a Chickasha photographer who went by the name of "That Man [---]" (I can't remember the surname he used). This was a dance troupe that Quanah organized. I have the complete identifications back in Boston (I'm on my way to Oklahoma by way of Montana for Comanche Homecoming in mid-July.)
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Post by tkavanagh on Jun 28, 2014 17:54:44 GMT -5
"Ce-ti Quineine" is not NumutekwapU. The only link I can think of with it is that early on, ca 1875-1880 or so, the name was often spelled "Quina," leading to the speculation that his name was not /Kwana/ 'odor', but was /kwina/ 'eagle' [thus the title of the book "Eagle of the Comanches."
tk [hard at work bringing Numunuu history up to 1966]
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Post by tkavanagh on May 2, 2014 20:36:28 GMT -5
There is no set format. It depends on where you are (Northern or Southern Plains, East, Northwest, etc) and what "type" of event you are at and who the sponsors are: local, honoring, benefit, Sodality/Society, tribal/community annual, mega, etc.
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Post by tkavanagh on Apr 2, 2014 6:32:05 GMT -5
<bump> How's your reading, this past year? tkavanagh ... no problem. I think that's a good idea. I will start a new thread after going thru your book. good luck! dT tk
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Post by tkavanagh on Feb 19, 2014 21:27:03 GMT -5
"Is there a way to narrow down the tribal nation I am related to?"
No. Given that people(ahem)did it(/ahem)-- transfer DNA from one generation to the next -- without regard to "tribal" boundaries, which are relatively recent anyway, the whole concept of "tribally distinct" DNA cannot be possible and must be tossed.
tk Thomas Kavanagh, PhD (Anthropology)
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Post by tkavanagh on Feb 18, 2014 16:57:02 GMT -5
You are right, they are two different men, I jumped when I should've sat still.
I would put the former as Isatai/Quenatosavit.
That leaves the question of who is the "Ase-tite." The name as such does not occur (AFAICT) in pre-reservation documents, and there is no "Ase-tite" on any census. Of the variations Asat/Esat/Esit/Isat, there are only a few male possibilities:
Asetammy, aka Comanche John; b about 1855. Asa/Esitoya, ‘grey mountain,’ captive; compare w/ Gardner pic Asa/Esataiput, ‘grey infant’, bro of Tabenanaka & Pohocsucut; d. before 1885 Isatakwon, ‘liar’, b 1855
At the moment, (which could easily change) I would entertain the possibility of Esitaiput.
tk
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Post by tkavanagh on Feb 18, 2014 12:22:28 GMT -5
chiceman: I just saw your message; check reply. tk
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Post by tkavanagh on Feb 18, 2014 12:09:30 GMT -5
Isatai
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Post by tkavanagh on Feb 17, 2014 17:41:13 GMT -5
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Post by tkavanagh on Feb 16, 2014 18:09:58 GMT -5
If you are going to write about Yuchi, you should check the current state of scholarship. See, for instance:
Jackson,Jason Baird
2003. Yuchi Ceremonial Life: Performance, Meaning and Tradition in a Contemporary American Indian Community. Studies in the Anthropology of North American Indians. Lincoln: University of Nebraska Press.
2004. “Recontextualizing Revitalization: Cosmology and Cultural Stability in the Adoption of Peyotism among the Yuchi,” In Reassessing Revitalization: Perspectives from North America and the Pacific Islands. Michael Harkin, editor. pp. 183–205. Lincoln: University of Nebraska Press.
2008. “Traditionalization in Ceremonial Ground Oratory: Native American Speechmaking in Eastern Oklahoma,” in Midwestern Folklore. 34(2):3-16.
2012 Yuchi Indian Histories before the Removal Era. Lincoln: University of Nebraska Press, 2012. xxxiv + 246 pp. $30.00 (paper), ISBN 978-0-8032-4041-4.
tk
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Post by tkavanagh on Jan 20, 2014 5:43:44 GMT -5
This references a site by David Yeagley. That usually should be enough to end any conversation with me. I have been dealing with Yeagley for nigh onto 30 years, but I stopped doing so some years ago. He often gets his history wrong, including his own family history (he is off by a generation, conflating Quinakesuite with Cruz Portillo). He has cited me several times, including once calling me a Professor at the University of New Mexico; I am flattered: I was only a graduate student there when he and his mother had correspondence with me about their family history. They proceeded to totally disregard everything I said to them.
Relying on "oral history" is no excuse for getting the written sources wrong.
-I know of no documentary evidence that Tabbytite (ca 1860-ca 1923)was ever called Tomotsocut. -Yeagley should know that the name 'Seymour' should be 'Seahmer'. -'Treetop' is a rhyming slang to avoid Anglo sensibilities in saying his Numunuu name: Parriaquita [/parua/ 'elk' /kwitop/ 'shit']. -There was no need to get Tabbytite "on the rolls' in the 1940s; he had been on the Comanche census lists since 1885, as an adult member of Tahpony's band (he was too young to be included in earlier lists). His 1901 allotment number is 833. [Membership in the modern Comanche Nation is based on descent from an 'original allottee"; Tabbytite was an "original Allottee."] -I could go on, but it's just too depressing
tk Esimotsoraivo
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Post by tkavanagh on Jan 4, 2014 22:03:02 GMT -5
FWIW,
/ma-/ prefix referring to 'hand' /ma?wikeetu/ ‘shake hand’ /ma?wikaru/ ‘push away (with the hand'
tk
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Post by tkavanagh on Jan 3, 2014 18:51:46 GMT -5
Several bits:
- Mowway the Kotsoteka died in the mid 1880s (I don't know the exact date; - Except for Bliss' short stay at Ft Sill, there were no photographers [?] there after Soule until the very late 1880s when Lenny and Sawyers operated in Purcell (50 mi due E of Anadarko;)there were others soon therafter but I can't place this particular backdrop. - There were at least two men named 'Mowwat', given as 'No Thumbs' although the specific digit is not explicitly in the name. If this attribution of 'Mowway' is correct, it may be either wishful thinking on the part of the photographer to be the older bear-claw Mowway. Or it could just be a mis-hearing of the final /t/ [easily done]. Of the Mowwat's given, one has only a bried occurance on one census; the other has a much longer documentary record, living until at least 1923. That Mowwat is given in the FRB as the son of Hitutatsi (Little Crow)and thus was a grandson of Ten Bears.
-The other image (one of a pair)is given by UTEX archives as "Comanche War Rig." Except for the moccasins, and maybe the headdress, I can't substantiate anything in is outfit as being Numunuu.
tk Esimotsoraivo
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Post by tkavanagh on Nov 11, 2013 7:41:19 GMT -5
Re Totite, Herwaney, and Hosetosavit
Totite, f Ekawaddi, m Ohaymoque, both “Mexican” captives; member of Tabbyko’s [aka Tokuhma, aka Black Horse] local band of Kwahadas. m 1) Tosawoosowe [parents unknown, b ca 1830] {yes, he was an old man when he married Totite}; died ca 1902, d Herwauney [agency spelling], b ca 1890; m Robert Watsekoweah Hosetosavit [f Suweka, m Weckboyah; b. ca 1885.] s Allen b 1902, no allot; d Popsup (aka Lucy) (2) Powetype d Margaret; (3) Penaro, s Thomas
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