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Post by tkavanagh on Sept 19, 2010 10:26:56 GMT -5
Sue: Way back, Dietmar wrote: “...Tsau lau te, meaning either Gray Goose or Cry of the wild goose, he was born around 1850 to Satanta and his mother was Zone ty, Satanta's eldest wife.” And then, “(Mandy) At Me Ponyah, born 1874, daughter of Saloso/Tsa-laute, married Howard Sankadota (Tone keah quodle, born 1877)...” I wrote: (Mandy) At Me Ponyah [spelled in the FRB: Atumpoheya (I despise the syllabic hyphens and refuse to use them)], aged 23 in 1901, family number 27, allotment number K2409. She was married to (as spelled in the FRB) Tonekiahquodle, aka Howard Sankadota, allotment K2468. Further examination of the FRB gives that Atumpoheya was the daughter of “Sietintel (White Bear”) and “Soantin.” Note: the father was White Bear, not Tselotso, and the mother is not Zonety. Meanwhile, I find that Kauqueye (FRB spelling), aka Odlepaugh, Fam Num 334, list num 1036, allotment K 2237, age 47, is given as the son of “Sitinety (White Bear)” and Zonety. Immediate conclusion, we are following at least two different descent lines with generations confused. Note: Tsalotso did not receive an allotment, and so there were no "land leases." For a definitive answer, I would suggest you contact the Chief Satanta White Bear Descendants group: kiowachiefsatanta.tripod.com/ tk
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Post by tkavanagh on Sept 18, 2010 11:39:35 GMT -5
Note that the SIRIS title to that photo is "*Cheyenne* and Kiowa delegation March 27, 1863", not Comanche.
Hmmmm.
Paula Fleming, formerly of the NAA, and I have had some discussions about these pix.
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Post by tkavanagh on Sept 18, 2010 11:31:56 GMT -5
The “Family Record Book” (FRB) was compiled ca 1901 and maintained for a few years thereafter as an aide to heirship problems created by the allotment of the KCA reservation. It is in the order of the 1899 annual census list, with each family given a “Family Number.”
I transcribed the Kiowa Agency copy ca. 1982. About 1991, the Lawton chapter of the Daughters of the American Revolution also transcribed it; a copy of that transcript and a photocopy of the original is available at the genealogy room of the Lawton public library. Their transcript is useful for reference, but unfortunately, the DAR people were not familiar with the Indian names and often mis-transcribed them.
Based on the information from Dietmar, I can add the following:
(Mandy) At Me Ponyah [spelled in the FRB: Atumpoheya (I despise the syllabic hyphens and refuse to use them)], aged 23 in 1901, family number 27, allotment number K2409. She was married to (as spelled in the FRB) Tonekiahquodle, aka Howard Sankadota, allotment K2468.
There is a note in the FRB that they were married by Rev. A. E. Butterfield at Fort Sill, July 19, 1896.) In 1901, their children were:
Margaret, age 4, allotment K2470
James, age 1/6, allotment K2471
Jessie (female), born since allotments.
Since Kiowa is peripheral to my interest with Numunuu, I have little further data on Kiowa; but somewhat around this apartment, I have a copy of the 1942 KCA "payment roll." I will try to find it.
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Post by tkavanagh on Sept 17, 2010 12:54:25 GMT -5
This is the first photo I have uploaded, I hope it works. This is a composite we made at the Smithsonian ca 1990. It was after I wrote the "Whose Village" article on the Soule photos for Visual Anthropology. We were looking at M-H-A photos and I started to see similarities/continuities betweeen these Morrow pix. I put together a Xerox composite which the graphic designer "cleaned" up. It's from the HNAI, Vol 13, pt1. tk Attachments:
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Post by tkavanagh on Sept 15, 2010 11:46:37 GMT -5
Do you have a SIRIS number for the second stereo photo. I'm just not sure that those on are PinF and TB. But I can't tell from this resolution.
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Post by tkavanagh on Sept 15, 2010 11:38:11 GMT -5
"Two *Sioux* calumets..."
Now how did the National Carchives come to that conclusion?
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Post by tkavanagh on Sept 15, 2010 11:35:24 GMT -5
Whoops!!
Ura.
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Post by tkavanagh on Sept 15, 2010 11:34:58 GMT -5
Whoops!!
Ura.
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Post by tkavanagh on Sept 15, 2010 10:54:11 GMT -5
Some of you may not know of this: Sia, the Comanche Nation's Ethno-Ornithological Initiative is the first NA tribal group to receive federal Fish and Wildlife Service authorization to conduct raptor research, and to maintain a feather repositiory. See www.comancheeagle.org/intro.html[the word /sia/ is Numunuu for 'feather'] Background: I am on their "Council of Advisors". tk
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Post by tkavanagh on Sept 14, 2010 16:04:36 GMT -5
Oh, and please note that my online name is 'tkavanagh' not "thavanagh"
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Post by tkavanagh on Sept 14, 2010 13:00:11 GMT -5
"he enlisted in the Union Army 10th CT Infantry Company K as a Sergeant on 19 Sep 1861 under the name Orlando S. Goff (residing in East Haddam, Middlesex, Connecticut). Was promoted to Full Corporal on 10 Sep 1863. Re-enlisted on 1 Jan 1864. Promoted to Full Sergeant on 1 May 1864 and moved to Company D. "
This makes no sense unless it was badly transcribed.
One did not enlist as a "Sergeant," one enlisted as a private. And then get "promoted" to "Full" (whatever that is supposed to mean, there was only one kind of 'Corporal" during the CW) "Corporal", which is the rank *below* Sergeant. And then get promoted to "Full" (again, whatever that is supposed to mean) "Sergeant".
Yes, there were different kinds of sergeants, drill, quartermaster, etc., but except for possibly "First Sergeant," all were of equal rank. The rank "Full ____" did not (does not) exist in the US Army.
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Post by tkavanagh on Sept 14, 2010 10:29:57 GMT -5
The name and translation "Tuh-hu-yet, Nau-qua-hip, Champion Rider" apparently comes from a truly awful book, _Comanche Land_ by J Emmor Harston. The comma between the terms is unnecessary and ungrammatical.
Terheryah is 'deer' in most Shoshonean languages; in Comanche it came to be 'horse' [the term puku (as in tuepukunuu 'Little Pony group' is 'horse,' as in 'pet']). kwahip is 'back'. I don't know what the 'nau' is supposed to be.
The translation "Champion Rider" does not appear anywhere in the historical record as a translation for 'Horse Back.'
BTW, this is a pseudo-stereo, as Soule did not himself make any.
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Post by tkavanagh on Sept 14, 2010 10:18:10 GMT -5
Note: the bowl on the TB pipe first photo is not the bowl on the TB pipe in the third photo, but seems to be the top bowl in the third photo.
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Post by tkavanagh on Sept 14, 2010 10:15:15 GMT -5
Phillip wrote:
"Hello,
a question came to my mind, while readings some threads.
"HinTamaheca" wrote, that the Dogmen nower days can only be found among the Southern Cheyenne (Llewellyn & Hoebel, p. 100).
"thavanagh" brought the Tall Bull pipe in 1990/91 to a Dog Soldier initiation ceremony among the Northern Cheyenne to Montana.
How does it fit?"
I was wondering if anyone would pick up on this.
Yes, in Hoebel's time, there was only the southern group. As I understand it, Bill Tall Bull was trying to re-establish a northern group. It was somehow tied up in northern politics (that year there were in fact two Sun Dances.) I do not know if te northern group is still active.
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Post by tkavanagh on Sept 12, 2010 11:20:04 GMT -5
I thought I had posted these already.
Whatever:
Ûhtahuh, /otu/ ‘brown’ or ‘sorrel’; /utaayu/ ‘rawhide’;’Sorrel Robe’
Tasiwokanabûûtsi, /tasiwo/ ‘buffalo’, /kanabuutsi / ‘skinny, thin’; ‘Poor Buffalo’
Ûhpûitû, ‘sleeper’.
Querherbitty, /kwuhu/ 'capture', /bita/ 'arrive', 'Arrives to Capture." She was Attocnkie's wife, and it was thru her that F. J. Attocknie (aka Joe A., her grandson) learned these histories.
[note: these are "histories" not 'stories'. Joe A insisted to me that "history without names is just stories." These have names: they are histories, not stories.]
Orthographically, the upside-down question mark is a glottal stop. The umauted u are barred u.
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