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Post by kayitah on Jun 7, 2010 2:24:35 GMT -5
Jeroen, I think you're right, that seems to be Leosanni. And the woman far left, who is hiding her face, is undoubtedly the one with the cut nose.
I am sure that I have also seen the woman right next to her, but I can neither remember where nor who she is...
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Post by kayitah on Jun 6, 2010 4:52:34 GMT -5
the train photo for comparison... Attachments:
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Post by kayitah on Jun 6, 2010 4:39:09 GMT -5
Jeroen, I am sure having seen the man crouching in the front identified as Bésh, but I don't remember the source. May very well be him, compare with the train photo - the eyes, nose, moccassins, and ring on the right hand would fit the above image. He wears a different shirt and headband on the train image - but as we know the Apache were a cleanly people - he may very well have changed clothing. Interestingly, above man's features also fit with the man in the following image... could it be Bésh?? At the very least, the man on the left seems to be the same man as the one who's sitting far right in the train image. If it's "Old Man Beshe" or not, who later was the oldest Chiricahua at Fort Sill... Attachments:
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Post by kayitah on Jun 1, 2010 17:11:01 GMT -5
I just came about an image of (supposedly) giles lancey at carlisle - and I think HE is the mysterious Chiricahua! Unfortunately, I don't have any other images of Lancey, but comparing lips, nose and eyes seem identical to me. What do others think? Attachments:
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Post by kayitah on May 27, 2010 1:44:50 GMT -5
Great images! My guess for the photo posted by Kayitah in reply 20: Kayitah (same features as in the Fort Houston group photo), Kilthigai and Fun. Of course it is speculation, but I am quite sure of Fun... Don't know about the other photo, are you 100% it is the same man as in the Fly photos? I am quite sure that it's always the same guy in "reply 22". I am open to other ideas, though. As for Kilthigai and Fun - I have never seen a photograph of Kilthigai, do you have one? The other man doesn't look like Fun to me, but let's see what others say.
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Post by kayitah on May 26, 2010 22:20:30 GMT -5
same guy on all these images. I don't know who he is, but he seems to be one of the older, more-seasoned men in the group. I once thought about Bésh, but since everyone is convinced that Bésh is on the train image, I figure it's not him. Still, Bésh remains an obscure person. I second the opinion that "Beshe was probably older than this estimate (40 years old), for later at Fort Sill he was one of the oldest members of the band. He was known as Old Man Beshe." (see "Geronimo: the man, his time, his place" by Angie Debo) In "Lt. Charles Gatewood & His Apache Wars Memoir" by Charles B. Gatewood/Louis Kraft, Bésh's birth date is given as 1816. Does anyone have an image of him from the Reed&Wallace collection? Attachments:
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Post by kayitah on May 26, 2010 15:08:52 GMT -5
an ideas on these? Attachments:
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Post by kayitah on May 26, 2010 15:08:18 GMT -5
what about these? the man at center seems to be Charlie Attachments:
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Post by kayitah on May 26, 2010 14:59:34 GMT -5
none of them seems familiar to me, except the man on the left. First, Ulzana and Tsisnah came to mind, but Ulzana's case doesn't offer any high-quality images to compare with, while further comparison with Tsisnah didn't convince me.
Maybe these are three entirely "new" men, some that we haven't seen before...
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Post by kayitah on May 25, 2010 19:44:25 GMT -5
unidentified chiricahua in comparison with Fun Attachments:
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Post by kayitah on May 25, 2010 19:42:37 GMT -5
I'm not sure either, so I modified my post above I rather think it's Fun, but compare yourselves... Attachments:
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Post by kayitah on May 25, 2010 5:08:02 GMT -5
the man in the middle may be Toclanny. Where did you find this fine image?
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Post by kayitah on May 22, 2010 15:12:42 GMT -5
Do the young man in the front left, and the man in the front center resemble Kanseah and Yahnozha to anyone? definitely not Yahnozha, and I also don't think the other guy is Kanseah. Sorry dude.
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Post by kayitah on May 21, 2010 16:36:35 GMT -5
True, it would make sense if it was Jozhe. We'll see when we can compare him with a photograph taken at Carlisle.
I have that publication by Jay van Orden, too, but didn't look at it for quite some time now. Good observation, Perico.
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Post by kayitah on May 21, 2010 3:09:55 GMT -5
I understand your point, jeroen. But can anyone identify Ahnandia on the various C.S. Fly images?
Aren't Catle/Kutli and Cullah/Colle one and the same person? Just like Cayetano is Kaetenna?
Jozhe seems to small, as the mysterious Chiricahua is relatively tall - which probably is the cause for the numerous misidentifications of him being Naiché.
And btw, some people may think Bésh and Nahbay, or Bésh and Laziyah were brothers. I've never read either, only that Nahbay and Laziyah were brothers/halfbrothers. I'm confused... where does it say that Bésh was a brother to either or both of them?
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