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Post by lgarcia on May 14, 2009 8:19:42 GMT -5
Hintamaheca: I don't see my post of yesterday about the Spirit Lake badges of offices posted here. It is in the 50 most recent posts. I am sorry I had to cut it short but I didn't want to rewrite the original post that was lost.
Getting back to the music question - again this is the short version. The difference in the southern and northern music styles could have been a dream. The other possibility was the Big Drum.
In the USA Today article sent to me through Yahoo Mail (no date) but it must be this month. Arvol Looking Horse and Chris Leith met with the Mille Lac Ojibwe two Big Drum Keepers Amik Smallwood and Obinsanigeeshik Staples over giving back the drum ceremony to the Lakota / Dakota. See Densmore's "Chippewa Music" for some of the Big Drum information. Just on a side note Tail Feather Woman (Wiyakasintewin) and her 1878 drum has never been revealed to the public. This is all for now, Louie
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Post by lgarcia on May 13, 2009 12:51:18 GMT -5
The Minesota Historical Society has the Gilbert Wilson Papers. They are available on microfilm. Wold Chief describes in detail how to make and shoot a plains bow and arrows, including the elk antler bow.. There are also a series of photos in their Photo collection of Wolf Chief with his bow and arrows. Loui
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Post by lgarcia on May 13, 2009 10:56:08 GMT -5
Hintamaheca: Here are the badges of office I have discovered here at Spirit Lake.
Drum keeper / Leader = feather Shield (my article in Whispering Wind)
Head Singer = decorated drum stick (see my WW article)
four Bustle or Tail feather dancers = Crow Belts
2 Whip men = whips (see my WW article)
2 food servers = forked stick and spoon or feather
2 Whistle men = Long whistles (see my WW Article)
2 Pipe men = long pipes
2 Announcers = no badge I think I have them all. Toksta ake, (later) Louie
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Post by lgarcia on May 11, 2009 16:22:49 GMT -5
I just wrote a long reply to your comments, but because I failed to login before hand they kicked me out. Detmar please find my replay and post it PLEASE. Louie
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Post by lgarcia on May 8, 2009 10:37:23 GMT -5
Hintamaheca: Wow! You sure know your stuff. Thanks for answering so quickly and with authority. I have a ton of questions/ statements.
1) I notice in all (?) the old photos of the Hethuska members, I don't see any badges of office. Here at Spirit Lake (Devils Lake, Ft. Totten, ND) the old photos show whips, and drum keeper's badges. Through talking to the Heyoska members years ago they told me of the other badges of office. I was wonder if the same was true for the Ponca?
2) Any idea as to the difference in music between Southern and Northern when it came from the same source. I can't understand why those crazy guys in South Dakota dance counter clockwise, where here and points north everyone dances clockwise.
I better quit here things are getting too philosophical -ha,ha. Toksta ake, Louie
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Post by lgarcia on May 6, 2009 12:51:18 GMT -5
Hintamaheca: You are doing a great job in bringing this Hethuska information out so others can study it. I see you list Camp Crier as one of the officers. i will tell you a little story. I went to National Pow-wow where I saw the Hethuska Society hold an afternoon dance. I didn't know that they didn't want photographs taken. So I donated ten dollars to them (to pay my fine for the mistake) I was surprised that they told me they didn't have a Crier (Announcer) and don't have one in OKlahoma. The Nudonhonga was there from Oklahoma; him and the Whipman seemed dumbfounded as to the donation. I don't understand how they can operate without an Announcer as here no one my speak to the people except through the announcer. Louis_Garcia@littlehoop.edu
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Post by lgarcia on May 5, 2009 15:56:59 GMT -5
Hintamaheca: I hit the send key before I realized my mistake in your name. We had a priest here who was named Zicatamaheca - and I reversed the name. please accept my apology. Louie
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Post by lgarcia on Apr 28, 2009 13:02:27 GMT -5
Squirrel Hair: I like what you have written about the Heyuska (this is the way it was called here at Spirit Lake (Ft. Totten, ND).
I think this topic should be moved into a separate folder.
I see you use names of tribes as transferring the rights. It was not tribe to tribe up here in the north. It was organization to organization. So at any one time there could be several clubs with in one tribe. Here at Spirit Lake there were four clubs.
Another point I would like to make is - if you look at a map of North eastern Nebraska you will find Ponca, Omaha, Winnebago and Santee all close to each other. With the Yanktons a little further north,this whole area was the center of the spread of the northern version of the Hethuska.
(I also had to log on again as for some reason I was kicked off the site. I usually can automatically log on but now had to reapply.) Have a great day, Louie
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