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Red Dog
Sept 1, 2019 6:19:49 GMT -5
Post by Dietmar on Sept 1, 2019 6:19:49 GMT -5
Another info on Red Dog´s movements in 1872:
"...Red Dog, High Wolf and Long Ears, had passed through Helena on their way to Sitting Bull´s camp, to urge him to keep his peace."
Helena Weekly Herald, August 01, 1872, Page 7
Red Dog´s daughter was not part of the 1872 delegation to Washington, was she? I wonder where she joined her father...
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Red Dog
Sept 9, 2019 8:40:19 GMT -5
Post by ephriam on Sept 9, 2019 8:40:19 GMT -5
Good morning, Dietmar:
Red Dog returned to the Red Cloud Agency with the rest of the Oglala delegation after the 1872 delegation trip to Washington, D.C. He saw his family briefly before starting out again for the Fort Peck Agency negotiations. I assume that his daughter joined Red Dog at that time.
Ephriam
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Post by kakarns on Sept 14, 2019 6:01:15 GMT -5
It has been stated that, one of Red Dog's sons was; Fills The Pipe. Was this, Silas Fills The Pipe ?
Hattie Fills The Pipe, daughter of Silas, married; Elbert (Albert) Chief.
They are my relatives. Therefore, I am seeking clarification.
Thank you ! kakarns
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Red Dog
Sept 14, 2019 6:43:27 GMT -5
Post by kakarns on Sept 14, 2019 6:43:27 GMT -5
Apr 3, 2011 at 3:03pm zouzoute1 likes this Quote Post by Dietmar on Apr 3, 2011 at 3:03pm A website visitor has send me this information on Kicking Bear and his cousin Elbert Chief: Kicking Bear is one of 3 brothers by his father Black Fox and mother Iron Cedar Woman. Kicking Bear, Flying Hawk and Black Fox II. Kicking Bear had one daughter and 3 sons. The one son that lived on into the 1900's is Thunderbird or Frank Kicking Bear. My friend Dave Yakima Chief, Oglala Lakota, now deceased, told me in 1998 that his father, Elbert Chief was first cousins with Frank Kicking Bear. Elbert's father was Thunderbird and his mother was Goes Out With It or Rising Sun. They all (Kicking Bear, Chief and Black Elk too) lived in Manderson, The Wounded Knee District. The Thunderbird name is familial lineage I see. Dave Chief's Lakota Oglala name was Wakinyan also or Thunder. maybe Thunderbird. Dave Chief's mother was Hattie Fills the Pipe whose father was Silas Fills the Pipe and his father was Red Dog. I want to confirm the first cousin relatinship between Elbert Chief and Frank Kicking Bear. Thank you, Tanya Thank you Tanya for sharing this! Read more: amertribes.proboards.com/thread/263/kicking-bear-short-bull?page=2#ixzz5zUyBNC17
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Red Dog
Sept 14, 2019 6:56:20 GMT -5
Post by kakarns on Sept 14, 2019 6:56:20 GMT -5
Reviewed some of my notes and found this April 3, 2011 post from; Tanya. (See above)
I would still like some help concerning more verification. It would be much appreciated.
After the post above, I did make contact with Tanya. It is very fortunate for me that, my late relative, Dave Chief had shared some good family lineage information with her. Which, does state for example; Dave Chief's wife, Hattie Fills The Pipe was a relative to Red Dog and Kills A Hundred, etc.
Thank you, kakarns
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Red Dog
Sept 15, 2019 8:19:57 GMT -5
Post by kakarns on Sept 15, 2019 8:19:57 GMT -5
I found a link today which, does contain a statement from; "Silas Fills the Pipe"
In, Fills the Pipe's statement, he does state that his Father was; "Red Dog" from the Wounded Knee District.
I may have found the confirmation that I was searching for.
kakarns
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Red Dog
Sept 15, 2019 8:33:56 GMT -5
Post by kakarns on Sept 15, 2019 8:33:56 GMT -5
"John Kills A Hundred" (at age 73) stated during a interview at Pine Ridge Agency, S. Dak, on September 23, 1923 that he was indeed, the son of; "Red Dog".
kakarns
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Red Dog
Sept 16, 2019 3:03:57 GMT -5
Post by kakarns on Sept 16, 2019 3:03:57 GMT -5
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Red Dog
Nov 12, 2020 6:09:40 GMT -5
Post by eric on Nov 12, 2020 6:09:40 GMT -5
Great new details on Red Dog's Oyuhpe father-in-law, Kingsley. I'm fascinated by the quirt (whip) he is holding in his hand in the 1872 image. This would be a badge of office of a leader in one of the warrior societies, but not sure as there is not a lot of detail to see unfortunately. I think I can make out brass tacks on the wooden handle (or is it my imagination?) but no fur or beads on the wrist strap. Any suggestions? Carlo, Sometimes a quirt is just that. The society officer's quirts generally had serrated edges, like a saw.
These were used to punnish trespassers of the rules. This is a plain round quirt, used to drive your horse, correct your dogs or count coup. I can't make out the brass tacks.
Eric
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Red Dog
Nov 12, 2020 9:49:37 GMT -5
Post by gregor on Nov 12, 2020 9:49:37 GMT -5
Hi everyone, maybe we can reopen the discussion on Red Dog. There are still some uncertainties about Red Dog for me. When was he born? In or around 1830? Or earlier? There are also statements that he married in the late 1830s. Or that he was the chief dancer in the 1842 Sun Dance. As a child?
In the 1890 Pine Ridge Census we find Red Dog's son Arrow Wound (1862 - after 1890) and "his mother Slow, Hunkesni win (76 years old)", that is, born in the period 1814 - 1816. Is this Red Dogs widow? Or maybe his mother?
Red Dog's oldest known child was born in 1848, suggesting a marriage in the 1840s. Assuming that Red Dog was a mouthpiece and brother-in-law of Red Cloud, I don't think it's out of the question that Red Dog was also born in the 1820s. Which in turn makes the marriage and participation in the Sun dance in 1842 appear more plausible.
Any suggestions? Thank You!
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Red Dog
Dec 8, 2020 11:05:52 GMT -5
Post by Dietmar on Dec 8, 2020 11:05:52 GMT -5
There´s a excellent biography of Arrow Wounded, son of Red Dog, on this site: www.hermosahistory.org/stories-of-local-people.htmlHermosa Arts & History Association Stories of Local People
The Life of Arrow WoundBy Lilah Morton Pengra, volunteer HAHA researcher Arrow Wound, son of Red Dog and Slow, was born just west of the Black Hills in 1853, and went by the name Black Eyes. He received his adult name, Walks With Arrow Wound, after a battle in which he was wounded but continued to fight. Walks With Arrow Wound later shortened his name to Arrow Wound or Arrow Wounded. Some records give a first name of Solomon or Sam. Arrow Wound served at Camp Robinson (later named Fort Robinson). The camp had been established to guard the first location of the Red Cloud Agency. He enlisted as a scout in Company D under command of Lieutenant William P. Clark, 2nd U.S. Cavalry. Arrow Wound served two three-month enlistments, December 12, 1876 through July 1, 1877. In May 1887, he went to England with Buffalo Bill’s Wild West show, staying for an entire year. He lived his later years in eastern Custer County and across the river in Red Shirt in Oglala Lakota County, raising horses, harvesting prairie hay, and was reported to be the best mechanic at the Pine Ridge Agency. Arrow Wound died in 1939 and is buried in St. Bernard’s Catholic Cemetery at Red Shirt, South Dakota,. Read more about Arrow Wound here: www.hermosahistory.org/uploads/1/1/9/2/119231817/arrow_wound_extended_story.pdf
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Red Dog
Dec 8, 2020 11:09:53 GMT -5
Post by Dietmar on Dec 8, 2020 11:09:53 GMT -5
Btw, I assume this portrait of Wounded With Many Arrows, a Buffalo Bill performer, taken by George Spencer in 1891 could be the same man, Arrow Wound aka Arrow Wounded, son of Red Dog:
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Post by gregor on Dec 9, 2020 6:49:54 GMT -5
Here two photographs of Silas Fills-the-Pipe. Silas at a paleontologists survey in Badlands Silas as catechist in 1931 To me it was interesting to see that Silas wore his hair long in 1925. Had the catechists to crop their hair or was it fashion or adaption to the dominant culture?
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Red Dog
Nov 25, 2022 9:28:40 GMT -5
Post by Dietmar on Nov 25, 2022 9:28:40 GMT -5
currently on eBay: a new portrait of Red Dog: The inscription on the back says: "Red Dog, daughter + interpreter" The interpreter is clearly Joseph "Joe" Bissonette. He went with Red Dog after the 1872 delegation trip to Washington to the Upper Missouri agencies: Sioux City Journal, Tuesday Aug. 27, 1872 The pictures obviously were taken in Hamilton & Hoyt´s photographic studio in Sioux City.
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Red Dog
Nov 25, 2022 11:03:50 GMT -5
Post by grahamew on Nov 25, 2022 11:03:50 GMT -5
Excellent, Dietmar! I wonder if that's his Washington suit! So you reckon the other Hamilton photo of Red Dog and his daughter was taken at the same time (after a change of outfit - though his daughter is wearing the same clothes)
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