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Post by perico on Jun 8, 2010 9:13:19 GMT -5
...I just came over "another" image of Giles Lancey (sitting)... and if the identification on this photograph is right, the man one the above photo(s) is not Lancey. I am still quite sure that (on the above images) it's one and the same individual. Do you have the original file name?
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Post by perico on Jun 8, 2010 9:08:47 GMT -5
That is incorrect, I am 100% positive this is "Old Man Dick" Attachments:
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Post by perico on Jun 7, 2010 21:51:12 GMT -5
...I just came over "another" image of Giles Lancey (sitting)... and if the identification on this photograph is right, the man one the above photo(s) is not Lancey. I am still quite sure that (on the above images) it's one and the same individual. Where did you locate this picture? The man standing is definately Burdett Tsisnah. Is this on Siris?
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Post by perico on Jun 7, 2010 11:11:28 GMT -5
I would like to see who everyone thinks Kilthdigai is.
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Post by perico on Jun 7, 2010 11:07:29 GMT -5
Your guess is as good as mine, of course, but to me the man far right really resembles Fun... As for Kilthigai, obviously we can't be certain, but this is the man I have in mind: If this is not Kithigai (or perhaps Motsos), the who is this? I know who this is, gimme a little while to figure it out. Also, Kilthdigai I am unsure who that is unless that was another name for Tsinah. They say in the train picture one man is not pictured. Im guessing that is Tsisnah.
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Post by perico on Jun 7, 2010 11:02:32 GMT -5
This could be Tissnolthos, but I am open to other suggestions: This person is identified as Kulle. Who Im guessing is Colle.
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Colle
Jun 7, 2010 11:01:40 GMT -5
Post by perico on Jun 7, 2010 11:01:40 GMT -5
To me, they appear to be different men. In 1889-1890 two men were sent to a prison on Governor's Island, New York. The army deemed this necessary, although the two Chiricahuas did't have a clue why they were sent to that "hell hole"... Their names are given as Astoyeh and Colle. Although I haven't found one so far, the two men were prossibly photographed in New York or along the way. If so, that would give us a good picture of Colle. Colle is picture in the St. Augustine pictures. I cant remember off hand if there is a picture of Astoyey. I already contacted NY, they dont have any pictures of them.
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Post by perico on Jun 7, 2010 11:00:12 GMT -5
The name Giles Lancey doesnt show up in any publication or unpublished manuscripts that I have. Maybe he was a Western Apache that was at Mount Vernon at the same time as the Chiricahus.
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Colle
Jun 4, 2010 9:46:46 GMT -5
Post by perico on Jun 4, 2010 9:46:46 GMT -5
Wanted to get everyones opinion on this. Does this look like the same person that is identified as Colle in the Fort Marion pictures? This person is identified as Caley in Siris. Looks kinda suspicious to me, what do you guys think? Attachments:
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Post by perico on Jun 2, 2010 9:52:16 GMT -5
I just came about an image of (supposedly) giles lancey at carlisle - and I think HE is the mysterious Chiricahua! Unfortunately, I don't have any other images of Lancey, but comparing lips, nose and eyes seem identical to me. What do others think? I have never heard of Lancey Giles before, do you have any info on him?
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Post by perico on Jun 2, 2010 9:50:29 GMT -5
In his notes Burbank says that Naiche told him that he was shot through the chest, the bullet going straight through... Does anyone knows in which fight this took place? Jeroen, I was wondering where you got your info on the 1884 pictures of Naiche and his wife Ecleheh. She is often identified as Haozinne, but I always thought it was Ecleheh. Ive only seen her identified as Ecleheh once in a museum. Where is the source for your info?
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Post by perico on Jun 1, 2010 12:45:31 GMT -5
Any ideas for the images posted above? Also I have these Carlisle photos... Could these guys be Zhonne (center) and Chappo (right)? IMHO man sitting left is Jason Betzines Man sitting on left is Jason Betzinez, man in center is Calvin Zhonne, man on right is Chappo Geronimo.
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Post by perico on May 26, 2010 14:23:35 GMT -5
Colle/Kutli did not go to Fort Pickens, but to Fort Marion, if it is Colle, then this photo was not taken in Pickens. Also, judging from the Fort Houston images, Kanseah was taller than this boy, so I don't think it is him. This is not an easy one... the man far right does not look familiar at all, perhaps it is Goso, the one man that came with Mangus (never seen a photo of Goso)... Could possibly have been Mt Vernon, but Im not sure. It was supposed to be Fort Pickens, but I forgot about Colle. He doesnt resemble anyone from Naiche's group. Goso is a good guess. I wonder if there is a picture of Goso at Carlisle.
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Post by perico on May 26, 2010 11:27:10 GMT -5
Second from right looks like Yanozha... My guess from left to right was Kanseah, Yahnozha, Fun?, Colle?
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Post by perico on May 26, 2010 10:25:48 GMT -5
Ok after a little research, Kutli went with Chihuahua's group to St Augustine. This leads me to believe that Kutli and Colle are one and the same person. The man identified as Colle in the St Augustine picture very closely resembles a man named Colle in the Canyon De Los Embudos pictures.
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