I am wondering if any of you have or can find a photo of Chief Milk who was a Sicangu Lakota man. We are doing a project here on Rosebud on all the communities and cannot find a pic of Milk himself. Any help is very appreciated! Wopila!
Post by kingsleybray on Jul 8, 2009 10:56:02 GMT -5
Milk's Camp was one of the band communities settled on the Rosebud Reservation after 1878. It was located along Ponca Creek, the easternmost of the communities. Milk seems to have been originally Oglala, hence the attribution above, but settled on the Upper Sichangu reservation, as quite a few Oglalas did (conversely some Sichangu settled at Pine Ridge). There was a tiyoshpaye called Makes Himself an Oglala (Oglala-ichi-kaga), which settled where the Okreek community is today on the Rosebud.
The first reference to Milk I have is spring 1868, in the buildup to the treaty, he was living near Ft Laramie.
Victor Douville told me that some elements of the Sichangu Kiyuksa band settled at Milk's Camp. The Kiyuksa were another major band with sister-bands among the Oglala and Sichangu.
Miyelo, could you help me match up the modern Rosebud communities with the old-time bands? The Wazhazhas for instance settled along Black Pipe Creek, the Orphans (Iron Shell's band) on Upper Cut Meat and so on.
thanks so much you guys. I just today asked for Milk's possible Lakota name to look under and sure enough it was Asumpi-duh-which means Milk- but Lionel Bordeaux told me that Milk's name was really ''Good Cane Milk" so I was looking for that. He WAS Oglala but stayed here on Rosebud instead o following Red Cloud to the west when he left here. Kingsley--we are working on this now-''indin time" so let's talk in a couple weeks and I will give you what we got. I am going over to see Vic for some info on all this pretty soon, he knows everything that's for sure. They found a box of negatives in the basement of St. Francis Mission and I am scanning those and taking them to Victor. Some look never before published and some look like Father, um, what his names?? the priest who took photos here they look like they were his, and these could be copies of his negatives. We're not sure yet, but there are some really good photos here. Take care and thanks!
thanks so much you guys. I just today asked for Milk's possible Lakota name to look under and sure enough it was Asumpi-duh-which means Milk- but Lionel Bordeaux told me that Milk's name was really ''Good Cane Milk" so I was looking for that. He WAS Oglala but stayed here on Rosebud instead o following Red Cloud to the west when he left here.
Don't know if it's relevant, but painter Elbridge Burbank heard from Blue Horse in the late 1890s that Milk was in fact an Oglala, the leader of a Wagluhe band which, after Big Mouth's assassination in 1869, stayed at Whetstone with the Brulés while the Blue Horse band left the agency (probably joined Red Cloud, but I'm not sure of this detail).
Gregor compiled info on Chief Milk, who was originally Oglala, but later settled among the Sicangus at Rosebud:
Milk (abt. 1836 – aft. 1895) Asanpi
Milk’s real name was Sagye Waste (Good Cane). He was an Oglala and a member of the Smoke division that separated from the Kiyuksa in the 1830's. According to information he gave to Alice C. Fletcher, Milk must have been born about 1836. During his youth he achieved warrior status, while fighting the Crow and Shoshone. Later he married Waste Win (Good Woman), who bore him twelve children. It is said that Waste Win was a Bad Face Oglala and a sister to Red Cloud. At the times of the negotiations at Fort Laramie he lived around the Fort. In contrast to Red Cloud he favored treaty politics with regard to the encroachment of the dominant white culture. When the United States respectively the State Authorities fought in the Mid-Sixties the Cheyennes and Arapahoes in Colorado, Milk joined the U.S. Army as scout. Later the Union Pacific Railroad hired him as a scout. After the Laramie Treaty of 1868 was signed, he was under the first to settle at the Whetstone Agency. Initially Milk settled with his band along the Ponca Creek, then moved to Milk's camp after the Spotted Tail Agency, was moved to the Missouri River. Here at Milk's Camp, the chief settled permanently far away from the agency headquarters at Rosebud. Fellow chiefs, Swift Bear and Little Thunder and their followers settled near Milk’s camp. Milk led his people gently toward integrating into the non Indian system. Despite his stand as a progressive, he was still very traditional. It is known that Milk was so knowledgeable about the Lakota lifestyle, that he became a winter count keeper. But none of his counts survived time. In her fieldwork diary Alice C. Fletcher writes on October 11, 1881: “Asanpi, the Chief of Ogallala [sic] Indians, one of the bands of the group, a fine, comely, cordial man. The daughters of Asanpi are large, handsome women. The eldest is married to a half-breed and lives like a white woman, they said; the two youngest, 16 and 14 are at home. The son, 26, is married. When we took supper, the one 18, at Utica, I saw; one or two younger ones. He said he was 45, his wife 44 - a very, very noble couple. He gave me his picture and that of his son at Utica. His wife [Waste Win] came in during the afternoon and told us of Spotted-Tail’s death - of how distressed and excited the people were.”
grahamew -Re: Photo of Milk?? Descendants of Milk (Oglala) and Medicine Woman (---)
1. Milk1 (---), born 1852 in Oglala Sioux Nation; died 18 May 1935 in Pine Ridge, Shannon, South Dakota. He married Medicine Woman (---), born 1859 in Oglala Sioux Nation; died 7 Mar 1926 in Pine Ridge, Shannon, South Dakota
Notes for Milk (---) 1 Jul 1890 Pine Ridge pg 211 1893 Pine Ridge pg 386
30 Jun 1895 Pine Ridge pg 490 b 1855 30 Jun 1896 Pine Ridge pg 137 30 Jun 1897 Pine Ridge pg 324 30 Jun 1898 Pine Ridge pg 465 30 Jun 1915 Pine Ridge pg 327
Notes for Medicine Woman (---) Jun 1886 Pine Ridge pg 137 1887 Pine Ridge pg 117 Holy Woman 1 Jul 1890 Pine Ridge pg 211 Holy Woman 1893 Pine Ridge pg 386 30 Jun 1895 Pine Ridge pg 490 b 1859 30 Jun 1896 Pine Ridge pg 137 30 Jun 1897 Pine Ridge pg 324 30 Jun 1898 Pine Ridge pg 465 30 Jun 1915 Pine Ridge pg 327
Children of Milk (---) and Medicine Woman (---) were as follows: + 2 i John2 Milk, born Feb 1882 in Oglala Sioux Nation. He married Hattie Long Horn.
2. John2 Milk (Milk1), born Feb 1882 in Oglala Sioux Nation. He married Hattie Long Horn, born Mar 1884 in Oglala Sioux Nation, daughter of Aaron Long Horn and Tribe (---).
Notes for John Milk SS Cleveland sailing from Hamburg Germany to New York City Jan 20 1929
Notes for Hattie Long Horn 1887 Pine Ridge pg 154 Stands In The Center
1893 Pine Ridge pg 437 1 Jul 1894 Pine Ridge pg 248 30 Jun 1898 Pine Ridge pg 467
SS Cleveland sailing from Hamburg Germany to New York City Jan 20 1929
Children of John Milk and Hattie Long Horn were as follows: 3 i Rosa3 Milk, born 1901 in Pine Ridge, Shannon, South Dakota. 4 ii Lillie3 Milk, born 1903 in Pine Ridge, Shannon, South Dakota. 5 iii Reuben3 Milk, born 1905 in Pine Ridge, Shannon, South Dakota. + 6 iv Oscar3 Milk, born 1907 in Pine Ridge, Shannon, South Dakota. He married Julia Her Horses. 7 v Benjamin3 Milk, born 27 Aug 1909 in Pine Ridge, Shannon, South Dakota. 8 vi Alice3 Milk, born 27 Dec 1910 in Pine Ridge, Shannon, South Dakota. She married Daniel Walking Bull, born 1913 in Rosebud Agency, South Dakota, son of (---) Walking Bull and Bear Kills Her (---). 9 vii Elizabeth3 Milk, born 25 Feb 1912 in Pine Ridge, Shannon, South Dakota. She married William Plucks Porcupine, born 1899 in Pine Ridge, Shannon, South Dakota. 10 viii Samuel3 Milk, born 1913 in Pine Ridge, Shannon, South Dakota. 11 ix David3 Milk, born 1915 in Pine Ridge, Shannon, South Dakota. 12 x John3 Milk, born 5 Sep 1918 in Pine Ridge, Shannon, South Dakota. 13 xi Sophia3 Milk, born 31 Dec 1921 in Pine Ridge, Shannon, South Dakota. Notes: SS Cleveland sailing from Hamburg Germany to New York City Jan 20 1929 14 xii Jasper3 Milk, born 27 Mar 1924 in Pine Ridge, Shannon, South Dakota. Notes: SS Cleveland sailing from Hamburg Germany to New York City Jan 20 1929
6. Oscar3 Milk (John2, Milk1), born 1907 in Pine Ridge, Shannon, South Dakota. He married Julia Her Horses, born 1905 in Pine Ridge, Shannon, South Dakota; died 8 Jun 1938 in Pine Ridge, Shannon, South Dakota, daughter of (---) Her Horses.
Children of Oscar Milk and Julia Her Horses were as follows: 15 i Susan4 Milk, born 21 Apr 1931 in Pine Ridge, Shannon, South Dakota. 16 ii Edward4 Milk, born 10 Jul 1933 in Pine Ridge, Shannon, South Dakota; died 14 Apr 1935 in Pine Ridge, Shannon, South Dakota.
Please accept my deep gratitude to everyone who provides insight and information on all the wonderful message boards.
Pursuant to the post above about chief Milk's marriage to Waste Win aka Good Woman I would like to explore her relationship, if any, to Walks As She Thinks. The post mentions Waste Win to be Red Cloud's sister. I haven't seen anything that specifically identifies the them as siblings. Their daughter Esther Milk is my paternal grandmother's grandmother.
Further, I have also seen info that states Walks As She Thinks was also married to Chief Bad Teeth. If so, that would be another familial connection since Brings Grass Pazaakuwin (my paternal grandmother's 3x great grandmother) has been noted to be Bad Teeth's grand daughter by way of Crow Feather/One Feather. Additionally, I have seen it stated that Bad teeth was son of Makes The Song. Would this Makes the Song be the same individual as Crazy Horse I aka Walks With Sacred Buffalo?
Help connecting all this dots from anyone with insight would be much appreciated. I'm a little leery of some of the proposed relationships due to what seems to be chronological inconsistencies. Obviously, passing names to the net generation further cloudies the puzzle as well.
Please excuse two errors in the post above. Corrections as follows: (1) It should have read: Pazaakuwin has been noted to be Bad Teeth's great granddaughter by way of Crow Feather/One Feather. (2) I have seen it stated that Crow Feather was a son of Makes the Song.
Dietmar. Still hoping someone might be able to elaborate on the Waste Win info above. Esther Milk was my great great grandmother. Additional information on Chief Milk would be very welcome. Do you think Annie Good Woman was one of unnamed Red Cloud sisters or more likely a cousin but sister in the Lakota extended family sense? Thanks!
This photo is from an old article I found somewhere in the internet. I´ve looked for a better scan, but it seems there is none. It shows Chief Milk, his wife Annie and an unidentified man in camp. Note the umbrella over the fire place:
This is only a snippet of a larger article I haven´t found completed. Unfortunately I can´t give any reference to where it was printed or who has written the text:
“Chief Joseph Milk, an Oglala Sioux, was born in Northwest Territory on the Powder (Poudre) River in Colorado in the year 1816, his Indian name was Good Cane. He died July 17, 1903 at Milk Camp where he lived in a log cabin on his estate west of the Milk Camp Center; he was a chronologer recording the events by dates and years in his lifetime. Chief Joseph Good Cane Milk was married to Annie Good Woman, a Pine Ridge woman, at Fort Laramie, Wyoming; they became the parents of 12 children: Daniel, Henry, Jesse, Uriah, Esther, Julia, Sarah, Amy, Jacob, Eunice, Susan, and Jennie. Chief Milk and his wife are interred in the Episcopalian Cemetery at Milk Camp.
Joseph Good Cane Milk served as a guide and military scout at Fort Laramie, Wyoming for the United States Army regiments stationed at the Fort. While scouting Joseph Good Cane Milk was cited for bravery by Colonel R. S. Anderson when he saved the lives of a squad of white soldiers from a surprise attack by killing two enemy Indian warriors. For his dedication and act of bravery he was transported to Washington, D.C. and was made a chief. In memoriam he was presented a gold medallion inscribed with his name and date, suspended by a gold chain. In addition he was given a signed certificate of honor.
Fort Randall was established in southeastern Gregory County in 1856. In 1861 Chief Milk, Lieutenant of Chief red Cloud, brought his band of Oglalas to the Rosebud Reservation in Gregory County, Dakota Territory and made camp north of Bonesteel, below Fort Whetstone and east toward Fort Randall. Toward the north would soon be created a Whetstone Agency, port of landing, and a military post in 1868 for Chief Spotted Tail, his band of Brule Sioux and his sub-chief Swift Bear and his Cornband. In the spring of 1870 Chief Milk, leader of Oglala pure and mixed bloods, transferred to the Ponca Creek southeast of the present Herrick, South Dakota and settled in the valley on the north side of the creek. They were the first farmers in Gregory County and these fields are yet under cultivation. “
As it seems, the information given by LaDeane Miller above is about another man named Milk who settled on Pine Ridge.