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Post by tipifan on Dec 12, 2009 9:19:54 GMT -5
;D ) About why...you see, I can list some reasons: 4. Because their beadwork is so beautiful. That single reason has kept me interested for almost 30 (thirty!) years in the Crows and their culture. And now it's because their tipis are so beautiful and I have sort of "decoded the DNA" of the Crows' tipis! More, much more could be said but I would prefer to leave it at that. There's absolutely NO reason not to be interested in the Crow people! |
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Post by jinlian on Dec 12, 2009 13:52:43 GMT -5
... now it's because their tipis are so beautiful and I have sort of "decoded the DNA" of the Crows' tipis! This is something I'd love to know more about...  |
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Post by jinlian on Jan 28, 2010 16:53:50 GMT -5
White Swan, photographed by Reverend Petzoldt, (British Museum Collection  |
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Post by rodthomas on Aug 27, 2010 13:53:41 GMT -5
Now that Rubbing Out Long Hair is in print folks have had an opportunity to see all the White Swan about the Little Big Horn battle in 1876 and to read all our research findings about his life and these events. Several have asked about whether we were continuing research about his life and yes, we are. So much so that we discussed with several people the potential to do a biography about him. It is in the works. More on this as we progress.
Some points that we make in Rubbing Out Long Hair: 1. the killing of the soldier more than likely IS NOT a Little Big Horn battle event. White Swan is dressed differently and carries a leader bundle. He was not the leader at the Little Big Horn and he does not show himself so adorned in any of the LBH vignettes. There are two paintings of just LBH events and this is not in either of them. Miller's informant was two years old at the time of the battle so this information is suspect. Additionally, Miller's narrative contains some factual errors and is greatly embellished and these also make the story suspect. No soldier testimony mentions such an event. That White Swan engaged a soldier (in some cases a sergeant, a corporal, or a private) is not doubted - when and where are unknown. We have some leads and continue to verify but for now - this did not happen at the LBH. 2. Rebecca Nelson's thesis was for her MA (not PhD) at Arizona State University. I've got a copy and contains several interesting points. We use them in Rubbing Out Long Hair. 3. We are researching some information we were given last June at LBH College about White Swan's participation in the Nez Perce campaign in 1877. What we have so far concluded is that he DID participate in that campaign but not as a scout. More to follow. Our research on this was first for the book, then the bio, then in putting together our presentation on Nez Perce art of the 1877 campaign. This presentation will be given this September in Great Falls, Montana to the Order of the Indian Wars (www.indianwars.com). Jerome Greene is also on the program so should be a great afternoon! 4. The telescope vignette IS about the Crows Nest for the LBH series of events. It is in the two paintings that contain ONLY LBH events. We've got several points of proof in the book and I just realized how long this post is going. My apologies.
In ending, I'd appreciate any and all help with information about White Swan to include photographs, references, etc. My email is rod.thomas@susney.com and please feel free to contact me.
Please have a great day!
Regards, Rod Thomas...
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Post by Dietmar on Aug 28, 2010 4:06:08 GMT -5
Rod,
good luck for your new project, I´m looking forward to see it published!
Best wishes
Dietmar
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Post by jinlian on Sept 13, 2010 12:20:23 GMT -5
I must have somewhere a .doc file with all the info and photograph of White Swan we've gathered so far - I'll upload it here, as it would be faster than putting the "missing" images (actually they can be viewed first by right-clicking where the missing image should be, copying the embedded link and opening it in a different window) in a new file-hosting site and then re-uploading them one-by-one.
Diane, Dietmar, please let me know if you think this a suitable solution.
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Post by nicolas (carlo) on Mar 26, 2011 17:23:47 GMT -5
Can someone confirm whether White Swan was Mountain Crow or Kicked In The Belly?
Thanks,
Carlo
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Post by elawelch on Apr 5, 2011 15:48:12 GMT -5
I have been reading and examining the material you have listed on this sight with great interest.
Since I was a child, my siblings and I were told by my father and his family that we are descendents of White Swan. They told us the story of his relationship with a nurse while hospitalized and the birth of a child, my great-grandmother. We were also told many of the stories about his life which are on this site. We had DNA testing done on my uncle and my brother which show Native American lineage, however, have not yet been able to corroborate the rest of our family history, especially since my father passed away a number of years ago. Is there anyone who can help us solve this puzzle?
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Post by Dietmar on Apr 7, 2011 14:05:09 GMT -5
Welcome elawelch,
I can´t help you any further, but perhaps others can. Please follow our boards, hopefully there will be an answer sometime.
Best wishes
Dietmar
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Post by rodthomas on Apr 7, 2011 15:09:20 GMT -5
elawelch, welcome...I am researching for a biography of White Swan and this is one of the points that has been "rumored" but never really detailed, at least that I've been made aware of so far. Another family has indicated they are related to him as well but a different lineage.
You may contact me directly at roddotthomasatsusneydotcom. "dot" and "at" format to fool the email stealer bots...
Really look forward to hearing from you...
Regards, Rod Thomas...
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Post by nei57w on Apr 14, 2011 21:19:36 GMT -5
Hi, I am actually elawelch’s sister and have also just joined this post. I would like to add that we believe that the white boy Joe Medicine Crow talks about in Little Bighorn Remembered: The Untold Indian Story of Custer's Last Stand which jinlian brings up in her post that started this tread, is our father.
We have confirmed that he attended the camp in question at that time and the story is the exact one he told us all our lives.
(jinlian, Mar 19, 2009, 10:30am: As far as I know, he hasn't any direct descendant, unless one believes the story told to Joe Medicine Crow by a "white boy" in 1933 or so (H. Viola Little Bighorn Remembered: The Untold Indian Story of Custer's Last Stand) according to whom White Swan had a son from a clandestine relationship with a white nurse in a St. Louis hospital while recovering from the wounds received while fighting at LBH with Reno's troops.
We would love any help finding information about White Swan, especially his medical history, which might help us with our quest to prove this story.
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Post by rodthomas on Apr 22, 2011 13:05:48 GMT -5
Ladies, good morning...I responded to your email last week and just checking here to make sure it was received at the addresses on that correspondence. Hope all is well and please have a great weekend...
Regards, Rod Thomas...
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Post by rodthomas on Apr 22, 2011 13:09:30 GMT -5
Jinlian, good morning...did you find the document you noted above with all the collected WS information and photos? If so, do you mind sharing?
Thanks and have a great weekend...
Regards, Rod...
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Post by jinlian on Jun 18, 2011 18:27:57 GMT -5
Sorry Rod, I've just seen your message. Actually, as I've said, it's just a .doc/.pdf file summarizing what's already on this thread and in the White Swan page on the main site - anyway, if you think it could be of any use to you, I'll be glad to send. Just write me (in a private message) where I can send it. Best, J.
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Post by nicolas (carlo) on Jun 23, 2011 6:13:51 GMT -5
Hi Jinlian,
Good to see you here again! Do you by chance happen to know the band affiliation of White Swan? I'm sure he was either a Mountain Crow or a Kicked In The Belly, but which?
Thanks,
Carlo
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