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Post by Dietmar on Nov 4, 2008 16:18:29 GMT -5
Here are some photos of White Thunder from the Smithsonian Institute (SIRIS):  by Alexander Gardner 1872  by Alexander Gardner 1872  by Charles Milton Bell 1880  by Charles Milton Bell 1880 |
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Post by Dietmar on Nov 5, 2008 10:08:32 GMT -5
 by C.M. Bell 1880  in Carlisle by Choate  White Thunder & family, stereograph by W. R. Cross  White Thunder & family, stereograph by W. R. Cross |
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Post by charlie on Nov 5, 2008 10:47:46 GMT -5
Please, somebody can to add bio-infos about this chief? I also have posted some questions in the other site LBHA, about Red Dog thread - at page 2. Please read. Thanks.
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Post by jinlian on Nov 5, 2008 10:56:27 GMT -5
 Brulé delegation, 1880, by C.Bell. White Thunder is sitting first from right.  Lakota delegation at Carlisle, 1880 by N. Choate. White Thunder is standing third from right. |
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Post by jinlian on Nov 5, 2008 11:00:54 GMT -5
Charlie, I posted something in Italian here: win.farwest.it/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2884&whichpage=5 - I haven't much time to translate it into English right now, hope somebody will do it, in case it's urgent. I think all the details about White Thunder and his old father's murder by Spotted Tail jr. in 1884 can be found in Hyde's Spotted Tail's Folk . |
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Post by charlie on Nov 6, 2008 7:09:33 GMT -5
Ok Jinlian: I have no problems with the Italian language! However, i think that him was generally a peaceful chief; i prefer the warrior and brave chiefs....
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Post by Dietmar on Nov 6, 2008 10:46:09 GMT -5
Charlie,
White Thunder, Wakinyan Ska, a Wazhazha leader, not always was a peace chief. In his younger days he must have been an impressive warrior.
In 1857, when Lakotas were engaged in tribal war against the Omahas, White Thunder is said to have killed the famous half-breed of the Omahas, Logan Fontenelle. (see: Susan Bordeaux Bettelyoun in “With My Own Eyes”). At that time, White Thunder was in many battles to defend Lakota hunting grounds. Later in 1865 when the Lakotas should be forcefully driven from Fort Laramie to the Missouri River, he participated in the Battle of Horse Creek, where he acted as a leading warrior. He there also killed the leader of the U.S. army command Captain Fouts. In the same fight it happened that Louis Bordeaux shot White Thunder in the foot.
After moving to the agency, White Thunder enlisted in 1871 as a scout for General George Crook, serving for several years. He also was involved in the arrest of Crazy Horse in 1877, if I recall correctly.
In May 1884 he was shot to death by Young Spotted Tail and Thunder Hawk, after a feud between him and Spotted Tail´s eldest son. Spot Jr. wanted to entice White Thunder´s wife away. In return WT and his friends shot all of his rivals horses. The trouble culminated in a shootout near Rosebud Agency, where White Thunder got killed.
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Post by Dietmar on Nov 6, 2008 11:44:56 GMT -5
from George Hyde: A Sioux Chronicle: White Thunder is said to have been born in the Wazhazha camp, but after 1866 he was a chief of the Loafer band. He had a fine reputation as a warrior and the Brulés say that he was selected by the tribal soldiers to shoot Captain Fouts in the Horse Creek affair in 1865. He rode up to Fouts and shot him off his horse, a deed the Sioux regarded as glorious. In later years White Thunder was regarded on the reservation as a progressive. He made a good chief for his own band, but his abilities were nly small, and his efforts to gain the position of head chief that old Spotted Tail had held were without result…. |
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Post by charlie on Nov 7, 2008 7:16:10 GMT -5
Dietmar: your informations are very interesting. Now, i like this chief much more!
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Post by Dietmar on Nov 10, 2008 16:54:28 GMT -5
from the group photo above:  |
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Post by Historian on Jan 1, 2010 20:12:06 GMT -5
Rosy White Thunder - Sicangu - no date  |
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Post by Dietmar on Jan 16, 2010 6:11:51 GMT -5
 White Thunder |
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Post by candace on Apr 29, 2010 9:36:51 GMT -5
Was wondering if anyone has any of the White Thunder Geneology info?
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Post by Dietmar on Jun 30, 2010 8:04:36 GMT -5
White Thunder with typical wavy hair, portraited by A. Gardner in 1872:  White Thunder (British Museum) |
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Post by maryfranco on Nov 4, 2017 15:21:19 GMT -5
Hello:
I am looking for information regarding Chief WakiyanSka White Thunder born about 1857 and his daughter Rose Kinajinioni born about 1872. I researched both , I am particularly interested in Rose because she apparently married a man from Brownsville Texas named Eusebio Garcia and had two children with him (1898 & 1902). I am not able to find anything on their marriage. I did find that she attended the Carlisle Indian School but that's all I found. I have no name for her mother. My Ancestry DNA matches with his distance family.
If you have any information on Rose, can you please forward it to me or direct me where to look.
Thanks
Mary Franco
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