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Post by cinye80 on Dec 22, 2020 17:48:03 GMT -5
As Californian already noted Teton Sioux Music by Francis Densmore, Smithsonian Institution, Bureau of American Ethnology, Bulletin 61,Washington, Government Printing Office 1918.
Pages 387 to 392 are devoted to Jaw. His photo, 4 drawings, photo of the contents of his war medicine sack, and a list of his four medicines. and 3 songs.
Thomas Vennum in June 1981 notes that only one of Jaw's songs remain in the LIbrary of Congress. Catalog Number 653, reel 10,578B. length 47 seconds.
This song 3 163 on page 392 "I am bringing Horses" (Sunawakan owale, ca awaku we (welo?).
I don't know if you can still purchase recordings (cassette tapes) of Densmore's songs, but the State Historical Society of North Dakota, Bismarck has a copy.
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Post by Californian on Dec 30, 2020 23:11:27 GMT -5
Hi Raymen85 this is indeed a great find and I cannot thank you enough for it. There is very little information about Leslie Smith, DeCost's brother. I wonder if there is more in that collection - would you have a website citation for it ? I ought to get a high-resolution scan of this portrait to add to my Wikipedia article on Jaw - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaw_(%C4%86ehu%E2%80%B2pa)Hi all, this is the Leslie Smith photograph taken of His Fight in 1884 when Leslie traveled with his brother DeCost Smith. It's in the De Cost Smith photograph collection at the National Museum of the American Indian (P14649). View Attachment |
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Post by Californian on Dec 31, 2020 0:33:45 GMT -5
I searched the various website (Museum of the American Indian, National Anthropological Archives and the Smithsonian) outright, but could not locate the image that you provided. If you can furnish a website link would be greatly appreciated. Hi Raymen85 this is indeed a great find and I cannot thank you enough for it. There is very little information about Leslie Smith, DeCost's brother. I wonder if there is more in that collection - would you have a website citation for it ? I ought to get a high-resolution scan of this portrait to add to my Wikipedia article on Jaw - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaw_(%C4%86ehu%E2%80%B2pa)Hi all, this is the Leslie Smith photograph taken of His Fight in 1884 when Leslie traveled with his brother DeCost Smith. It's in the De Cost Smith photograph collection at the National Museum of the American Indian (P14649). View Attachment |
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Post by Californian on Jan 6, 2021 0:53:45 GMT -5
better resolution image (courtesy of the National Museum of the American Indian/NMAI) click onto image to enlarge |
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Post by nicolas (carlo) on Oct 18, 2023 11:51:19 GMT -5
Great work Grahame, very complete and well researched! Thank you for sharing.
I do have two challenges:
- I am still not convinced that Long Soldier was Jaw's father, at least not in the Euro-American sense. He claimed that his father was an Itazipco man who after marriage went to live among his wife’s people the Hunkpapas. Long Soldier the Hunkpapa winter count keeper, who Decost Smith refers to, was born a Hunkpapa. I believe that he was most likely an uncle on Jaw's mother’s side and therefore also known as father in Lakota kinship terms--hence Smith's confusion. Hawk Man and Sitting Bear were of course still considered his brothers, just not from the same parents as Jaw.
- Re. the bison hide painting of Rainy Buttes (page 58) you mention Low Dog being 13 years old at the time of the battle, but I think you refer to the Oglala Low Dog, b. ca. 1846/7. The one on the robe was the Hunkpapa Low Dog, b. ca. 1839. Only Jaw and Catch the Bear were not involved due to their young age, as you mention, but all others depicted by Jaw were indeed participants in the Rainy Buttes battle of June 1858--as corroborated by other sources. I have therefore little doubt it does show this battle. Jaw's rescue of Catch the Bear indeed does not fit here; for some unknown reason he added this, perhaps on request to show his own exploit?
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Post by grahamew on Oct 18, 2023 12:51:33 GMT -5
Thanks for that, Carlo - especially about the Hunkpapa Low Dog - I'll make some changes and repost it over the next few days. I'm not convinced about the closeness of the Long Soldier connection - and I'm even less sure about which Long Soldier is which! I did reach out the folks who produced the Welch website to try and find out more about the images around the bottom of the walls - but to no avail.
I've deleted the original because there will be changes shortly
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Post by nukemm33 on Nov 6, 2023 19:10:03 GMT -5
Yes, the more famous Lakota Long Soldier was a Hunkpapa headman and winter count keeper. (There was also an Oglala named Long Soldier btw.) His Fight’s father was indeed an Itazipco man, who after marriage went to live among his wife’s people the Hunkpapas. His name was also Jaw — we know this from a robe drawing made by His Fight depicting his father in battle. According to Densmore, the name Jaw was bestowed on His Fight by his white brother-in-law (perhaps after Jaw #1’s death.) I'm wondering if it was my great x grandfather that gave him the name "Jaw" if this is true. His Fight was married to one of my great aunts Rattling/Rattles, I believe after she was married to Plenty Wounds. Her sister Makigle was my great x grandmother, married to a "white" Spanish trader named Jose Antonio Lujan. They had three children I am aware of: Ruth - Red Day/Red Elk/Little-Dog War Girl Hears His Name |
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Post by nicolas (carlo) on Nov 7, 2023 1:45:23 GMT -5
Interesting, if that is the man who gave His Fight the name Jaw.
(Btw, I need to revise the statement "His name was also Jaw — we know this from a robe drawing made by His Fight depicting his father in battle." That bison robe drawing I refer to actually has Jaw himself on it, not his father. So we do not know the name of Jaw's father, only that he was an Itazipco man.)
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