natethegreat
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Post by natethegreat on Dec 7, 2018 17:50:36 GMT -5
Ive heard a few different scenarios.
1. A U.S. Army officer wanted to recruit Crazy Horse as a Scout in the wars against enemy tribes of the Lakota. Crazy Horse was using an interpreter. Crazy Horse responded by saying "Yes, I will fight (them) as long as I live." and the interpreter translated it as "I will fight the white eye as long as I live" and the officer attempted to have Crazy Horse arrested, and a Lakota agency policeman stabbed him.
2. Crazy Horse came into Red Clouds lodge after suffering a hard winter and after some times rumors spread that he was trying to incite a breakout. Word reached the Agency Director and he when he went to arrest Crazy Horse for questioning, a scuffle ensued and a Lakota tribal policeman stabbed him.
Does anyone know what happened to the legendary Lakota warrior?
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Post by Historian on Dec 10, 2018 13:04:35 GMT -5
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Post by grahamew on Dec 10, 2018 13:23:33 GMT -5
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Post by natethegreat on Dec 14, 2018 17:22:32 GMT -5
I checked this book out from my local Library. Will report back after finishing. I dont know much about Crazy Horse or the Lakota. Most of my research has been involved with the Apache. Thank you.
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Post by natethegreat on Jan 1, 2019 14:03:06 GMT -5
I just finished the book. I have to say that what happened to Crazy Horse is a tragedy. He was basically murdered by a few jealous Red Cloud Agency Indians. Lies told to General Crook led to his death. The Lakota should be ashamed! One of their proud Warrior Chiefs was killed because of too much talk. When the Lakota look back on their history, they should be ashamed to know what they did to Crazy Horse. The spirit of Crazy Horse lives on in the Bear Butte hills. Go there, Lakotas, and pray for forgiveness to the spirit of Crazy HOrse.
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Post by chicheman on Jan 3, 2019 7:08:54 GMT -5
Hi natethegreat, yes it was a tragedy what happend to Tasunke Witko. But it is not to blame "the" Lakota, all the Lakota. Still he had many friends and brother-warriors staying close to him, women and children who looked for him to protect and guide them. Some Lakota did wrong to him, some people (like Womans Dress and probably some whites too) told lies as I understand it and that and misunderstandings led to his tragic and unecessary early death. But I feel it´s not right to blame all Lakotas when only a few did wrong. Similar case about Geronimo, some fought and stayed with him to the end of the fighting days, but other Apaches thought otherwise and talked against him and did scout for the Army and fought against Geronimo and his followers. Geronimo was lucky though, that he was not tricked that way as to lose his life in a trap like it happend to Crazy Horse. Unfortunately cases like that we will find among every nation on earth it´s my opinion. Thanks. chicheman
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Post by Karla on Jan 4, 2019 13:41:51 GMT -5
Natethegreat: Before placing blame on all Lakota for something that happened in 1877, you may want to look at the larger historical context. You might consider who was responsible for: the creation of the reservation system, the breaking of every treaty signed with the Lakota, the Dawes Act, the continuous hunting down of Lakota (and other native tribes) men, women & children to force them on to reservations or kill them, the cheating and scandals surrounding reservation rations and the resulting starvation, the attempt to eradicate their native culture. There is much more that led to the desperation and infighting at that time. Some research into the racial politics and white greed that existed at that time may open your heart to understanding more of the complexities of the situation as a whole rather than passing judgement on all Lakota (then & now) for the actions of a few. Shaming only serves to divide people. It does not help bring them together.
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Post by emilylevine on Jan 4, 2019 18:12:03 GMT -5
Nate the Great: Please be careful of your judgements. Learn more, especially before being so presumptuous as to tell the Lakota people what they "should" do.
We seek knowledge here.
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Post by Californian on Jan 6, 2019 19:56:50 GMT -5
NateTheGreat, we have crossed paths before on this forum and once again you rush to personal judgement and opinion. The story of Crazy Horse's death has been amply documented and researched in the past 140+ years since the actual event had happened. Various opinions prevail, depending on the viewpoint of the relevant author. Remember that history is written by the victor and precisely this is the case here. It looks far better for the U.S. military to blame the cause for the killing of this iconic Lakota leader his own people rather than accepting the responsibility themselves. Gen. George Crook certainly had an ax to grind with Crazy Horse for his blundering of the Rosebud fight and thereafter just retreating with his troops from the campaign altogether while audaciously claiming victory. The period press was less forgiving with him at the time and it must have stung. As Emily Levine pointed out, we are a forum to discuss historical events, to mutually furthering knowledge and not pass judgement, but rather try to understand and interpret historical fact.
I personally recommend Crazy Horse: The Strange Man of the Oglalas by Mari Sandoz published in 1942. It is one of the earliest authoritative biographies published 65 years after the actual event. Mari Sandoz, a native from Nebraska grew up in the very area near Fort Robinson. Her father, Jules "old Jules" Sandoz, a Swiss doctor, settled there in 1881, merely 4 years after Crazy Horse's death. He lived and spent time at Fort Robinson on account of an injury (fall into his well) being treated there by the post doctor, Walter Reed (yes... the famous Dr. Walter Reed). Mari Sandoz had access to living eyewitnesses and primary sources. Many later biographies, including the one by Joseph M. Marshall III, are based to some degree on Mari Sandoz' original work.
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Post by Californian on Jan 6, 2019 20:10:34 GMT -5
I would like to add that the post physician at Fort Robinson at the time of Crazy Horse's death was Valentine McGillycuddy, who later became the first Indian Agent at Pine Ridge Agency. McGillycuddy attended to Crazy Horse during the last hours of his life, details of which are described in the book McGillycuddy, Indian Agent by Julia B. McGillycuddy 1941. The author was the wife of Valentine McGillycuddy, she extensively consulted with Mari Sandoz when writing the book and judging from the style and prose I suspect that vast portions thereof were penned by latter.
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Post by natethegreat on Jan 13, 2019 21:02:11 GMT -5
I did not mean to blame all Lakotas. Its a tragedy.
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Post by shannon on Jan 18, 2019 8:43:49 GMT -5
I recommend a book written by Crazy Horse's family and William Matson. It is called, " Crazy Horse, The Lakota Warrior's Life & Legacy.There are copies for sale or you can purchse through the Crazy Horse Tiwahe Facebook page.
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Post by ted on Jan 23, 2019 11:05:13 GMT -5
About Kingsley Bray and Thomas Power books?. These books are very reliable.The info of these great books came from Lakota sources, first eyes witnesses who rode with Crazy Horse or knew him, first hand oral history recorded in writing back then, black on white.
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Post by dT on Feb 17, 2019 13:38:03 GMT -5
I did not get the impression that Nate was attacking the Lakota. As other People here said, Crazy Horse represented a threat to the power structure of the white people. They feared him. So it is not surprising that they devised schemes to kill him, although the killing was done with the hands of red men.
Crazy Horse was very unique. There has never been another warrior like him. Perhaps the Crow said it best ... and they were traditional enemies of the Lakota. The Crow said of him ... 'We knew him better than you did'. That was because Crazy Horse was very bold, and often he atracked his enemies at very close range. So truly, he was closer to his enemies than to his own warriors on the battlefield. A man with great courage.
His death was a tragedy. And you can say that the life of Crazy Horse was an unusual mixture of brightness and tragedy. His mother committed suicide when he was very young. It must have left a deep scar on him. His life was a life to be remembered, but not an easy life.
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Post by Canadian Cree on Feb 24, 2019 5:18:32 GMT -5
I do not think you can blame all Lakota but there were chiefs,who were jealous of him and way too much talk was his downfall,therefore my conclusion is that the chiefs who controlled warriors encouraged them to go against Crazy Horse,who to me is the greatest Lakota of all,and his memory will be remembered far after all the others may be just a fottnote in history.
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