The Last Apache "Broncho"

[chicheman]

I stumbled upon this article, an interesting study :

digitalrepository.unm.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=https://www.google.de/&httpsredir=1&article=1015&context=hist_etds

chicheman

[dT]

Thank you. I didnt know that there was an alleged "Apache incident" in N. Mexico in 1926. I had never heard of the Fimbres Expedition either. But it sounds like the end of whatever existed down there ... if something still existed. That is 40 years after the surrender of Geronimo. People either die out, or marry into another tribe. OR really, if i think about it, I dont believe that lone Apaches (men) would marry into tribes in Mexico, because those tribes were hostile to the Apache. So the actions of Massai, if the reports are true, are more believable. The Broncos probably led isolated lives until they died out or were killed.

[ouroboros]

There are informations that refugee Apaches married into local Yaqui communities. See Guy Nixon, Slavery in the West, p. 95. Link: books.google.pl/books?id=GwMQrzTmDXoC&pg=PA95&dq=Geronimo+Sierra+madre+Yaqui&hl=pl&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjdn7ubm-reAhXqwYsKHRwIAW8Q6AEIUDAF#v=onepage&q=Geronimo%20Sierra%20madre%20Yaqui&f=false

However, there is the issue of reliability of this evidence.

[chicheman]

dt, yes I wasn´t aware of those incidents either that happend still long after Geronimo surrendered. Very interesting to learn about. Well, but seemingly these Apaches down there in Mexico didn´t die out, since Jasper mentioned going down there with people from Mescalero and Oklahoma in 1986 and met with some descendants of the Bronco´s. See link amertribes.proboards.com/thread/1193/spirits-sierra-madre?page=4 , his post. If I did understand that right, there are still people alive and well. And maybe some of those Sierra Madre Apaches went in with other tribes such as the Yaqui, I wouldn´t think this was impossible, there is at least some evidence, as ourobouros mentioned shown in this link. Maybe some more info´s may come up some day.

[jasper4]

Nov 25, 2018 16:27:46 GMT -5 chicheman said:

dt, yes I wasn´t aware of those incidents either that happend still long after Geronimo surrendered. Very interesting to learn about. Well, but seemingly these Apaches down there in Mexico didn´t die out, since Jasper mentioned going down there with people from Mescalero and Oklahoma in 1986 and met with some descendants of the Bronco´s. See link amertribes.proboards.com/thread/1193/spirits-sierra-madre?page=4 , his post. If I did understand that right, there are still people alive and well. And maybe some of those Sierra Madre Apaches went in with other tribes such as the Yaqui, I wouldn´t think this was impossible, there is at least some evidence, as ourobouros mentioned shown in this link. Maybe some more info´s may come up some day.

Yes there are still nde who have become persay mexican. dagote my friend

[chicheman]

Thank you Jasper, always great what you share with us ! Dagote, best wishes

[ouroboros]

Interesting info. In 1891 the Norwegian ethnographer Carl Lumholtz started his exploration among the native groups of western Sierra Madre. Several times he mentions Apaches as still active enemies of the Mexicans. E.g.:

"News of Apaches was again afloat, and one day a Mexican officer called at the camp obviously in pursuit of Apaches from whom he had recently taken twelve horses: but unfortunately the men had escaped. The presidente of Casas Grandes had been advised of the killing of two Americans near San Bernardino by some Apaches, and had also ordered some men to look for the miscreants in the sierra."

Link: www.gutenberg.ph/help/UnknownMexico1.html

[ouroboros]

There is a superb book "Like a Brother: Grenville Goodwin's Apache Years, 1928-1939" on Grenville Goodwin, the ethnologist who was one of the best experts on the Nde culture and history. According to this book, some Nde after the end of the Apache Wars settled among the Pima in the Sierra Madre (p. 271). Moreover, there are reports that some Nde after the wars settled among the Tarahumaras (p. 272).

You can browse this book here: books.google.pl/books?id=yoKiCgAAQBAJ&pg=PA278&dq=Goodwin,+Social+Organization+of+the+western+Apache&hl=pl&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjb05v1oJ3jAhVBi8MKHWOxAGIQ6AEILzAB#v=onepage&q=Mescalero&f=false

[ouroboros]

I came up on an information by Jason Betzinez, I fought with geronimo, p. 145 on the last Chiricahuas who did not surrender:

“A few other last-ditch hostiles remained in the mountains of Old Mexico. These were Chiricahuas, less than ten in number originally, who refused to surrender with Geronimo in 1886 and were joined by several San Carlos Apaches. They must have lived a dreadful life filled with sleepless nights, always in fear of pursuit and attack, and subsisting on seeds, wild fruits and nuts, and the flesh of such animals as they could steal or kill. I understand that these outlaws or their descendants are still hiding out in Old Mexico".