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Post by grahamew on Oct 25, 2018 12:15:07 GMT -5
Frank Jay Haynes (October 28, 1853 – March 10, 1921), known as F. Jay or the Professor to almost all who knew him, was a professional photographer, publisher, and entrepreneur from Minnesota who played a major role in documenting through photographs the settlement and early history of the great Northwest. He became both the official photographer of the Northern Pacific Railway and of Yellowstone National Park as well as operating early transportation concessions in the park. His photographs were widely published in articles, journals, books and turned into stereographs, and postcards in the late 19th and early 20th century. And more: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Jay_Haynesand... archiveswest.orbiscascade.org/ark:/80444/xv63968Here are some of his photos among the Crow, most taken in 1883:  Big Ox  Grey Horse  Little Medicine  White Bull  Little Moon  Sun in a Cloud  Hailstone  Hoop on the Forehead  Boy in the Water - or Goes Afar Off  Old Coyote and wife  Big Medicine and wife  Little Head  Little Head  Big Medicine (Man)  Unidentified  Unidentified  Running Deer - same as Hoop on the Forehead, surely?  Curley  Big Medicine (Man)  Old Coyote, Big Medicine and wives  Jessie Iron Bull  Hailstone  "Me Catchem"  Shows/Spies?  Old Coyote/Yellow Dog  Curley  Curley  Crows attending the last spike ceremony at the completion of the Northern Pacific Railroad, 1883  As above  As above  As above  As above, though this one might be the work of L. G. Davidson    Curley at the Little Bighorn Monument   Is that Curley with the hat on, second from right? More later... |
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Post by grahamew on Oct 26, 2018 5:04:14 GMT -5
A few more:  Surrendered Lakota leaders, presumably after their arrival at Standing Rock by steamboat in 1881 - or is this even later, perhaps taken during a notable council? Gall, Crawler, Low Dog, Running Antelope and Rain in the Face. There are at least three versions of this.  That's Spotted Eagle standing, second from the right with the three blade club, and possibly Louis Sitting Bull (or maybe Little Assiniboin) standing second from the left. I've also seen these photos dated 1883. I've seen the man at the right, in a light blanket, identified as Yellow Hawk. The again, the same label identifies the man in the military jacket as Crow King and it's clearly Low Dog. Does make me wonder where Crow King is, though...   ?  And again. This is the best version I've seen of this, unfortunately.  Rain in the Face - the portrait he's holding in the photo above. Presumably taken shortly after his surrender in 1880. The background is identical to the background in the Chief Joseph photo below. However, both photos have also been credited to Goff and Barry, though it's unlikely to be the work of the latter unless he was working for Goff at the time.   Lt Kislingbury's 'Sioux' scouts, Fort Sisseton. If this is Kislingbury, he was on the Lady Franklin Bay expedition to the Arctic in 1881 and died in 1884. He was in charge of groups of scouts (Crow as well as Lakota) during the late 1870s amnd maybe 1880. |
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Post by shan on Oct 26, 2018 8:40:59 GMT -5
grahamew
Good to see those three so called surrender photographs together, I've always assumed they were taken directly after these men surrendered, but have never heard that story about it being later at a council meeting. Is that your own idea or did you come across it elsewhere?
With regards to Low Dog, the man in the far left of the photo called Sioux scouts in camp has a look of him, especially with that distinctive low hair line, but on balance I don't think it is.
grahamew, I know I've asked you before about the possibility of blowing up that third image, and I know you would love to be able to do so as much as I, so I'm asking if anyone out might know how one could blow it up without losing the detail, I've tried numerous times over the years but have never managed it,
Low Dog
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Post by grahamew on Oct 26, 2018 10:21:10 GMT -5
I think they surrendered over winter - and at different times - that's why I'm guessing it was a little later and that might explain the presence of Running Antelope, one of the senior statesmen at Standing Rock. There is, however, a Haynes photo purporting to show a Lakota council and I'm sure it's dated 1883, but I need to dig that out.
Unfortunately, that's the only version of the third photo I've seen. Who knows? There may be more...
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Post by rawhide on Oct 26, 2018 11:41:11 GMT -5
That' s old Iron Bull (with the flag and a hatchet in another) and his wife (checkered dress) in those Golden Spike Crow Photos. Looks like Medicine Crow also in the crowd.
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Post by grahamew on Oct 26, 2018 12:58:03 GMT -5
 I assume they're Kisilingbury's scouts playing the part  Chasing Sitting Bull. There are at least two more variations of this, one showing the man sitting in the wickiup; the other, I think, is the empty wickiup. I've also seen it passed off as one of Sitting Bull's followers. Isn't the man an Assiniboin?  One more  I've seen this labelled Sioux council, 1883  Detail  Ditto  Ditto  Is this related to the above photo?  Poplar Creek Landing  Cree family at Qu'Appelle  Assiniboin camp  Assiniboin tipi  Grey Bear - tribal affiliation is often given as Crow (note the same backdrop as the Crow photos), but I think he was Lakota and a long-time scout for the army  I'm sure there's at least one more by Haynes. He was also photographed by Gilbert.  Flathead family |
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Post by grahamew on Oct 27, 2018 5:21:38 GMT -5
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Post by grahamew on Oct 28, 2018 5:21:01 GMT -5
A few more:  Hidatsa  Hidatsa - wish we had better versions of these...  Fort Berthold  I don't have a credit to for this; it was labelled 'Fort James', which is the earlier name for Fort Berthold (which this clearly shows). Could be...  Hidatsa  Grey Bear again  # Sutler's store, Upper Missouri And then we have...  Clearly the 1881 Goff Sitting Bull head on the 1883 Haynes Curley body... I've also seen these attributed to Haynes:  War Eagle   Young Bull, son of Sitting Bull (Jumping Bull? Little Assiniboin?) - I've also see these credited to Barry.  Brave Bear - which I've seen credited to Goff  On the Mississippi (Ojibwe, I guess and related to the image below?)  Ojibwe Village. Last two courtesy of Californian's post about the Jeffrey Kraus website  Crow village   Red Lake Ojibwe leaders  Ojibwe village Any more? Corrections? For instance, bearing in mind he didn't move from Minnesota to North Dakota until 1879 would me question the attribution to Haynes of the Joseph and, therefore, the Rain in the Face portraits, but on the other hand, he was working for the Northern Pacific Railroad and had been since 1876, so it is possible. |
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Post by grahamew on Oct 28, 2018 15:20:52 GMT -5
  The Indian reception for President Arthur - at the Crow Agency, according to this www.yellowstonestereoviews.com/publishers/haynes.htmlI think it's a continuation of the line of men in the photo posted above. I'm fairly sure the man second from the right is at the left of the other photo.  Another of his Ojibwe photos  Hidatsa?  Detail Better version of the one posted above:  |
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Post by Dietmar on Nov 1, 2018 10:39:40 GMT -5
Great collection, Grahame.
The pictures of Brave Bear and Young Sitting Bull (who is Louis Sitting Bull, a step-son of Sitting Bull and son of Bear Louse) were not taken by Haynes, as you already assumed.
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Post by grahamew on Nov 1, 2018 14:12:03 GMT -5
And another...  Maybe I was 'misremembering' the version of this without the Indian... |
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Post by grahamew on Nov 17, 2019 16:33:22 GMT -5
 Cree village  I wondered if this man was Shows or Spies, but here he is labelled Two Moon (the same man Curtis photographed?) Or is the name "Two Moon" merely a marketing ploy...? |
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Post by Dietmar on Nov 18, 2019 8:27:53 GMT -5
Grahame,
in this case I don´t think it was marketing ploy, because the portrait was listed on the backside of Haynes´s photo card as No. 2875 "Two Moon, Crow". Otherwise he would have written 'Cheyenne'.
The man was also identified as "Shows-Or-Spies" and "Spies-on-the-Enemy" at Cowan´s Auctions, but I don´t know where it comes from. Spies-on-the-Enemy was photographed by Frank Rinehart, but he looks totally different in that portrait.
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Post by grahamew on Nov 18, 2019 10:59:19 GMT -5
A mystery solved! Do we assume he's the same Two Moon photographed by Curtis? The mouth looks wring, but maybe I'm looking at a flipped image and 30 or so years later.
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Post by Dietmar on Nov 18, 2019 16:25:43 GMT -5
I have to correct myself... Two Moon´s name was not printed on the backside of a photo card but in a catalogue of Haynes´ pictures:  |
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