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Post by gregor on Dec 18, 2020 6:28:33 GMT -5
Mitchell? Cross? Morrow?
In Frank Goodyear's book is also no photographer mentioned (p. 49, "photographer unknown")
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Post by grahamew on Dec 18, 2020 8:53:29 GMT -5
I'd go with any of that three.
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Post by Californian on Jul 16, 2023 22:08:24 GMT -5
photograph of Red Cloud, ca. 1900 - unknown photographer, for sale on eBay (July 16, 2023) click onto image to enlarge |
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Post by grahamew on Jul 17, 2023 5:23:24 GMT -5
This is a really interesting one. A copy turned up years ago on Cowan's, but while it's not an image you'll find in Goodyear's book, there is a John Hauser painting of it. We have a Hauser thread, but the images, hosted by TinyPic, have now gone... amertribes.proboards.com/thread/1154/john-hauser?page=1 |
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Post by Californian on Jul 17, 2023 8:27:02 GMT -5
hi Grahame, thanks for this information. That's interesting - John Hauser could have been the photographer and it would date the image to 1902, when he is documented to have been at Pine Ridge.
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Post by grahamew on Jul 17, 2023 12:02:37 GMT -5
Could have been. The trouble is that a lot of Hauser's paintings are based on other people's photos and, in some cases, other artists' paintings. I'd love to know which photos he took and which paintings he did from life. I'm away at the moment, but when I get back, I'll see if I can find the painting - pretty sure I saved it to an external memory drive!
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Post by Californian on Jul 18, 2023 22:29:23 GMT -5
it seems that the photograph can be pinpointed to around 1902, the rifle Red Cloud holds in his hands appears to be a model 1868 Springfield trapdoor click onto images to enlarge  |
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Post by grahamew on Jul 25, 2023 7:14:26 GMT -5
I'm going to have to backtrack on this because I can't find it - or any of the other Hauser paintings I saved - but from what I've written it would seem to show pretty much the same image minus the rifle. If it turns up, I'll post it!
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Post by grahamew on Jul 26, 2023 11:12:06 GMT -5
While this doesn't match my description of the painting I remember, it's clear that this Hauser work is either based on Californian's photo OR another one taken at the time:  |
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Post by Californian on Jul 26, 2023 12:50:19 GMT -5
thanks for sharing this Grahame, makes total sense and totally agree with your assessment
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Post by grahamew on Jul 30, 2023 9:08:16 GMT -5
I've obviously 'mis-remembered' this to some extent, but close enough for jazz...  This is Hauser with the camera |
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Post by Californian on Jul 30, 2023 10:25:04 GMT -5
I agree Grahame that this cinches it. There might be even a photograph out there in the same series where Red Cloud holds the staff - his clothing, even his moccasins are the same as in the photograph where he holds the rifle. Do you remember where you found the image of this painting ?
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Post by grahamew on Jul 30, 2023 12:50:49 GMT -5
Pretty sure it was an auction site, but I've searched and found nothing
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Post by Californian on Jul 30, 2023 13:11:15 GMT -5
On the Cowan's Auctions website where the above referenced half-portrait of Red Cloud was sold, they stated that they believed that it had been painted from life, however the recently found photographs prove that John Hauser, as the other notable artists of the period, worked with photographs and used the "grid technique", i.e. drawing tiny squares onto the photograph and thus get the same proportion/appearance onto the canvas. I saw at Andrew Smith Gallery in Santa Fe years ago such a photograph of Red Cloud with pencil grid drawn over it, I believe it was a photograph by Rinehart, but not sure anymore. The only artist that I am aware of that actually sketched from life was David Humphreys Miller.
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Post by grahamew on Jul 30, 2023 13:54:44 GMT -5
Possible identifications...  Left to right: Charging Crow, Last Horse, Rocky Bear, Red Cloud, Flat Iron, Little Skunk and Bear Foot |
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