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Post by jackrmi on May 4, 2017 20:04:23 GMT -5
I am the great great great great grandson of Red Bear (AKA Henry Chief Red Bear). I just learned of this through DNA research done by some members of my family who can now go back 12 generations. This fact makes me extremely proud. I am now trying to research photos of him. I was already kindly directed to a painting of him on Ebay by George Catlin in 1832 at Ft Union (see attached). My mother has visited his grave in Pennsylvania (see attached photo). He married a mennonite woman (or possibly she changed her name if they converted?), I believe her name was Rebecca. According to what I know Red Bear was born in 1783 and died in 1861. His daughter was named Elizabeth Bear, who is my great great great grandmother, she had many children with her husband's last name of Nighswander. This is what I know. Can anyone direct me to more information about him and possibly an actual photo? What is the most comprehensive book about the Crows?
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Post by Dietmar on May 5, 2017 8:04:29 GMT -5
Welcome jackrmi, I got this portrait of Red Bear, who I assume is Crow. Frank Rinehart took the picture, but surely after 1861.
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Post by carlo on May 6, 2017 14:17:18 GMT -5
Hi Jack,
Welcome to the board. I just replied to your PM.
Principle headman Red Bear of the Mountain Crows was the second signatory of the Fort Laramie Treaty of 1851, also known as Sits On The Edge Of A Fortification. However, in my opinion, this is not the same person as your ancestor Henry Red Bear. Crow chief Red Bear died in 1863 in Montana near the mouth of the Bighorn River in a fight with Oglala Lakotas and never married a white woman.
Fyi, if you look closely to the grave marker, you see the name Henry Bear, not Henry Red Bear.
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Post by carlo on May 6, 2017 14:48:14 GMT -5
To add:
Red Bear/Sits On The Edge Of A Fortification was born ca. 1805, give or take a few years. He is believed to be the same "distinguished warrior" as painted by Catlin in 1832, when he was in his late twenties.
The picture posted by Dietmar is of another Red Bear; maybe your Henry Red Bear? Not sure if he is Crow though, judging from the beadwork, but perhaps someone with better knowledge of Crow beadwork can comment.
Hope this helps your search,
Carlo
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Post by jackrmi on May 11, 2017 21:03:35 GMT -5
This is a bit repetitive, but: While the grave does just say "Henry Bear," we know from family members that his name was "Henry Red Bear," and in many instances was referred to as "Henry Chief Red Bear." He was a Crow. His daughter, Elizabeth Bear, AKA Elizabeth "Bare," my great great great grandmother, married Joseph Nighswander (sometimes spelled Neighswander) and had 13 children: my great great grandmother, Rebecca (who married Francis M. Pultz), and her siblings Nancy, Martin, Susan, Jacob, Benjamin, Samuel, Elizabeth, Levi, Lers, Susan (2), George and Alice.
If anyone recognizes any of these names I would love to find out more, it means a tremendous amount to me. Thanks.
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Post by h1conroy on May 20, 2017 15:54:55 GMT -5
Jack, Is possible that your ancestor was in fact a student at Carlisle?
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Post by h1conroy on May 21, 2017 9:36:17 GMT -5
Jack, There is reference to Chief Red Bear of the Mountain Crows in the book THE BLOODY BOZEMAN, by Dorothy M. Johnson, about events regarding the Stuart party in the spring of 1863. Chapter 3, page 33.
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Post by jackrmi on May 22, 2017 21:00:17 GMT -5
Jack, Is possible that your ancestor was in fact a student at Carlisle? We checked, there were some "Bears" in later years, probably our relatives, but the Carlisle school opened after Henry Red Bear died.
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Post by h1conroy on May 22, 2017 21:57:04 GMT -5
Jack, I was unable to read the tombstone so posted incorrectly as the Carlisle school opened much later than 1861. However, I share Carlo's opinion that your ancestor is not the same person as Red Bear, Chief of the Mountain Crows. There is much information available on the Crows. The post I shared about THE BLOODY BOZEMAN, BY Dorothy M. Johnson shows that he was still active as Chief of the Mountain Crows in the spring of 1863.
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Post by jackrmi on May 22, 2017 22:02:39 GMT -5
Jack, I was unable to read the tombstone so posted incorrectly as the Carlisle school opened much later than 1861. However, I share Carlo's opinion that your ancestor is not the same person as Red Bear, Chief of the Mountain Crows. There is much information available on the Crows. The post I shared about THE BLOODY BOZEMAN, BY Dorothy M. Johnson shows that he was still active as Chief of the Mountain Crows in the spring of 1863. Yes, I am beginning to believe that too. We have discovered some more relatives, one apparently has a treasure trove of info stashed away, so we are trying to get in touch with them. If I find out more I will post it up. Your responses are much appreciated.
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I am the great great great great grandson of Red Bear (AKA Henry Chief Red Bear). I just learned of this through DNA research done by some members of my family who can now go back 12 generations. This fact makes me extremely proud. I am now trying to research photos of him. I was already kindly directed to a painting of him on Ebay by George Catlin in 1832 at Ft Union (see attached). My mother has visited his grave in Pennsylvania (see attached photo). He married a mennonite woman (or possibly she changed her name if they converted?), I believe her name was Rebecca. According to what I know Red Bear was born in 1783 and died in 1861. His daughter was named Elizabeth Bear, who is my great great great grandmother, she had many children with her husband's last name of Nighswander. This is what I know. Can anyone direct me to more information about him and possibly an actual photo? What is the most comprehensive book about the Crows? View AttachmentView Attachment
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I am the great great great great grandson of Red Bear (AKA Henry Chief Red Bear). I just learned of this through DNA research done by some members of my family who can now go back 12 generations. This fact makes me extremely proud. I am now trying to research photos of him. I was already kindly directed to a painting of him on Ebay by George Catlin in 1832 at Ft Union (see attached). My mother has visited his grave in Pennsylvania (see attached photo). He married a mennonite woman (or possibly she changed her name if they converted?), I believe her name was Rebecca. According to what I know Red Bear was born in 1783 and died in 1861. His daughter was named Elizabeth Bear, who is my great great great grandmother, she had many children with her husband's last name of Nighswander. This is what I know. Can anyone direct me to more information about him and possibly an actual photo? What is the most comprehensive book about the Crows? View AttachmentView Attachment
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Jack, There is reference to Chief Red Bear of the Mountain Crows in the book THE BLOODY BOZEMAN, by Dorothy M. Johnson, about events regarding the Stuart party in the spring of 1863. Chapter 3, page 33. s
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Jack, There is reference to Chief Red Bear of the Mountain Crows in the book THE BLOODY BOZEMAN, by Dorothy M. Johnson, about events regarding the Stuart party in the spring of 1863. Chapter 3, page 33. s
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There is good stories of red bear in book called way of the warrior stories by Barney old coyote
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