Mangas colorados

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One of the most important leaders of the Chiricahua was Mangas Colorados. He is buried south of Hurley NM minus his head and right thigh bone. He was taken to an abandoned Army post Southeast of Pinos Altos, and apparently killed . The Army post was Ft. Mc Lane. What was the name of the Army post prior to Ft McLane?

[waganari]

According to Edward Sweeney "it was first called Fort Floyd, soon to be renamed Fort McLane, at a site that the Apaches called Apache Tejo."

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Good for you my friend!!!! Now , why was it renamed Ft. McLane from Ft. Floyd? If you get this I will send you an 8x11 black and white glossy photo of myself, suitable for framing, so you can display it in your livingroom where all your family and friends can enjoy it. Also, Apache Tejo is on Chino Mine property now, and Mangas Colorados' grave buts up to Chino mine property on the West side of NM Hwy 180. Apache Tejo is actually about 1.5 miles from where Ft Mclane and Mangas is buried.
ENJUH!

[Dietmar]

redpaint, do you think you´re funny?

[Deleted]

Dear Dietmar
I don't think I'm any more funny than you are!!!! If you will look right above this post, there is an 8x10 black and white photo of YOU!!!!~!!!
Redpaint

[Dietmar]

Thank you very much. I knew you would have to leave us sooner or later...

[Mithlo]

D E L E T E D ! ! ! ! Dietmar......You The Man !!!!!

[jasper4]

Death
In the summer of 1862, after recovering from a bullet wound in the chest, Mangas Coloradas met with an intermediary to call for peace. In January 1863, he decided to meet with U.S. military leaders at Fort McLane, in southwestern New Mexico. Mangas arrived under a flag of truce to meet with Brigadier General Joseph Rodman West, an officer of the California militia and a future Reconstruction senator from Louisiana. Armed soldiers took Mangas into custody. West gave an execution order to the sentries.

“ Men, that old murderer has got away from every soldier command and has left a trail of blood for 500 miles on the old stage line. I want him dead tomorrow morning. Do you understand? I want him dead. ”
That night, Mangas was tortured, shot and killed "escaping". While tied on the ground, Mangas was provoked with red hot bayonets until he moved to simulate his attempt to escape.

The following day, U.S. soldiers, fascinated by the size of the Apache (Mangas was 6 feet, 6 inches tall), cut off his head, boiled it and sent the skull to Orson Squire Fowler, a phrenologist in New York City. Phrenological analysis of the skull and two sketches of it appear in Fowler's book. Daklugie, one of informants in Eve Ball's book, said the skull went to the Smithsonian Institution.

However, the Smithsonian has done a thorough search for the skull, and reports that it never received it. Mangas' descendants and sources based on their testimony may have confused the Smithsonian with Fowler's Phrenological Cabinet in New York, where the skull was on display, leading to the misattribution. Another possible fate of the skull was that it was returned to the Apaches by the Smithsonian in a 1990 transfer, but was not individually labeled.

The murder and mutilation of Mangas' body only increased the hostility between Apaches and the United States, resulting in war continuing for nearly another 25 years. per wikipedia and apparently when forts are more important than DASODAHAE And Thank You and to digress I did print no offense intented or made humor of it yet with satirical intent.

[dT]

Jasper ... thank you for your information here. Greetings, my friend. It is possible that the skull of Mangum does still exist, but it was moved to a different location. Maybe it is not at the Smithsononian. It is very possible that the skull is with a collection of old forensic items somewhere in Washington DC.

I honestly do not know why the US Government does not make more efforts to find the bones (remains) of US Indians and return them to the families. It doesn't seem so hard to do this.

The horrible assassination of Mangus, and the dreadful treatment of his body, is a great dishonor on all the people who were responsible.

But if the skull of Mangus can be found and returned, then perhaps the Nde people can perform a ceremony to restore peace about this incident.

dT

[dT]

Mithlo ... greetings also, my friend.

Redpaint. Perhaps you can set aside your sarcasm. Why do you think that the change in the names of the Fort is important?

[What is in a name.]

Unfortunately it most likely was taken by the skull and bones society and now resides there.

[jasper4]

The army medical officer David Sturgeon took the Apache’s scalped head (they scalped him, too), eventually bringing it to Ohio after he left the service. Sturgeon finally presented his prize to Prof. Orson Squire Fowler; Fowler examined it and published a description in his 1873 work Human Science: Or, Phrenology: Its Principles, Proofs, Faculties, Organs, Temperaments, Combinations, Conditions, Teachings, Philosophies, Etc., Etc..**
The fate of this horrid trophy after it passed through Fowler’s hands is a mystery. It’s rumored that the Smithsonian received it, and perhaps surreptitiously got rid of it; while the institution has always denied ever having the skull of Mangas Coloradas, it is a fact that the Smithsonian collected and still possesses an alarmingly enormous trove of Native American remains. per the Net.