Black Hills

[frank]

Does anyone know how long Sioux have owned Black Hills exactly? What was the year (roughly) when they first time claimed Black Hills for them?

[ladonna]

The 1851 Fort Laramie Treaty was the first written document on the Black Hills.

[ladonna]

The Black Hills is not owned but held sacred by 30 different tribes as a place to pray.
The Lakota had it put in their Treaty in 1851 even though other tribes came to pray in the hills

[frank]

Thanks La Donna. Do youhave any info on how long Lakotas have lived near Black Hills or on that area? Is the oral history lot different from "studied history" or how it is said? I mean when did Lakotas move to South Dakota area and where did they came from... somewhere east but where there? Thanks.

[ladonna]

You are asking dangeous questions here.

I have to tell you that I can give you my belief only.

I have documented by our winter counts our histories.
I know that before the great flood that covered the
earth we went under ground at a place called Cave Hill SD
When the water went away we came out of Wind cave.

I have found our people in the areas of Big Horn Mountain
around 1600s also in nebraska and colorado in the 1600s.

The area that is now called the Great plains was a great sea
that extended from Mantoba to kansas so we did not live the
area of the plains until the water went away.

Now here is where the problem began the DAKOTA have been in Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan and Iowa. Some people can not separted the tribes in location.

It is said we broke off from our Mother tribe the Dakota a round 1400s.

I have talked with the tribes in the east who speak a language close to our and they say they come from west so I guess a person can believe what they want.

My people are from here

[frank]

Jul 29, 2008 14:19:26 GMT -5 ladonna said:

You are asking dangeous questions here.

Ok, I got your point, thanks for the answer La Donna.

[ladonna]

Don't ya just love these issues it keep history alive ;D

[frank]

Well yeah, I just dunno should I ask about these history facts anymore... . ...or when it is wise to stop on some questions...

[ladonna]

never, we need learn about each other and the only way is to ask.

[frank]

Well then...here I go again ;D : Where would you say Sioux (and others natives of America) came from originally? Through Bering Strait like "about" 10.000 years ago? I'm quite interested to know how the info about these ancient history things has survived with the Sioux. Thanks again.

[ladonna]

well you know the being strait theory is just a lie
It was made up by a monk who never made it past mexico City
we all know that the native histories are older than 10,000 years.
Gee the great sea was 10,000 years.
The oldest native remains are found in south American ands mexico.

[liverpoolannie]

Hi Frank and Ladonna !

According to the History Channel TV show - we are going to have to rethink the "first American"!!
It seems that artifacts have been found - that date to around 25,000 years ago and suggest several different sources ......... one was along the northern route from Europe to Iceland Greenland and then to Canada, ............ the other is from China/Russia and traveled the Pacific Kelp forest all the way to Baja Mexico !!!!!

Annie

[ladonna]

Yup we could of told ya that

All I know is we have been here a long time to the point that are DNA is different then anyone in the world.

[crawman]

The native people of Australia have been documented as having been here for 40,000 years so why is it not possible the same goes for the First nations of America?

[ladonna]

I guess it depend on who you believe?
there are arch who say we have only been here 20 thousand years,
then we have arch who say we hve been he 80 thousand years

who ya going to believe.

We say we have always been here