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Post by sodaksurfer on May 21, 2014 20:49:39 GMT -5
Greetings All,
Does anyone have a diagram of the village on the Little Bighorn showing where the bands/tribes were camped in relation to one another ?
Thanks
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Post by gregor on May 26, 2014 16:12:20 GMT -5
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Post by dT on May 27, 2014 8:55:51 GMT -5
nice map. Sitting Bull almost lost that battle. If Reno had been "another Custer" and gone full-tilt with his attack, he might have gone thru the village and changed the battle completely. Reno lost heart, and pulled back. That was when Custer's strategy began to fail - his side lost the initiative. Of course, you cant really have "two General Custers" in the same regiment. That was the irony for Custer, he needed more subordinates who had the same boldness and ferocious fighting capability that he did ... but his own personality did not allow such men to serve under him.
Don't get me wrong. I don't support Custer at all. But you have to look at the battle from different points of view. Reno had a chance to tip that battle and failed. The outcome was good for Crazy Horse and Sitting Bull, partly because of mistakes made by their enemies.
dT
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Post by ladonna on May 27, 2014 10:34:15 GMT -5
Ok remember we had so many warrior that half did not even fight because tit was a waste of time.
We already knew they victory was ours because at Deer Medicine Lodge it was told.
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Post by ellich on May 27, 2014 12:23:16 GMT -5
scout/ THEY SAID THE CROWS SCOUT STOLD THE HORSE WHY DINT THE WARROR GO LOOK FOR THEM/./ AND THAT THE 7TH BUT THE SCOUT TO THE VACK? also on one yahoo froup thatey clime they had a Lakato scout did tey
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Post by dT on May 28, 2014 0:24:21 GMT -5
ellich
some of those rumors are untrue.
the Crow scouts left the Bighorn before the battle started. they did this because they were ordered to put on the blue coats of the 7th Cavalry - to wear that uniform. they wanted to fight in their own regalia. so they left before the battle took place, and this saved their lives.
there were also Arikara scouts present at the battle.
I have never seen any reports that Custer was using Lakota scouts - against the Lakota. Maybe someone here can correct me if I am wrong. I really doubt that this happened.
dT
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Post by gregor on Jun 1, 2014 9:21:15 GMT -5
Another map with numbers of lodges  |
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Post by sodaksurfer on Jun 2, 2014 12:46:29 GMT -5
Thank you for the very useful maps
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Post by wyman on Oct 2, 2014 14:13:53 GMT -5
dT: I understand that some of the Arickara scouts were part Sioux by blood. Orrin Libby's Arickara interviews discuss the Sioux relations.
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Post by ladonna on Oct 2, 2014 15:06:58 GMT -5
I think that was Bloody Knife
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Post by waganari on Oct 2, 2014 17:47:29 GMT -5
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Post by dT on Oct 3, 2014 14:18:48 GMT -5
maybe Ladonna could shed more background on Bloody Knife.
the Arikara (Pawnee) were age-old enemies of the Lakotas.
They had been battling each other for years. And of course, the same goes for the Crow.
Perhaps the Lakotas had taken some Arikara (as women or children) into their camps and raised them there.
and then subsequently a few had left, or escaped. Again, Ladonna probably knows much more.
The Arikara were brave .. or at least accepting of the outcome.
So were the Crows.
They KNEW they were going to die - knew that as warriors when they fought their enemies the Lakotas
that they would surely be killed. They accepted this and marched with Custer anyway. It is ironic that
Custer's scouts had a greater acceptance of this outcome ... than his own troops.
But as mentioned, the Arikara and Crow simply wanted to die in their traditonal regalia.
Custer's insistence that they wear blue coats was probably very practical ... otherwise his own
troopers could eaily shoot the scouts by mistake during the battle.
But the misunderstanding freed the scouts ... they left early.
dT
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Post by ladonna on Oct 3, 2014 15:20:26 GMT -5
Bloody Knife had a Hunkapa Father and a Arikara Mother with brothers and one sister
and as a teenage he left with his Mother to move back to the Arikara.
he returned to visit his Father and during this visit to his father,
Bloody Knife was ambushed by Gall and several other Hunkpapas who beat him severely,
stripped him, spat on him, mocked him and hit him with coup sticks and musket ramrods.
In the fall of 1862, two of his brothers were killed, mutilated, and scalped by a Sioux
war party led by Gall. Their bodies were left to be eaten by wolves.
These events caused Bloody Knife to have such a hate for his father's people.
In 1823 the Lakota started to attack and move the Arikara out of the Missouri territory
each attack they took the women as captives. so Many of the Lakota had Arikara wives
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