Sitting Bull

[ladonna]

THE FAMILY OF SITTING BULL

GRANDFATHER OF SITTING BULL NAME UNKNOWN
1ST SPOUSE: BRULE WOMAN
SON: JUMPING BULL I: BORN 1799, DIED: 1859
SPOUSE: UMPAN WASTEWIN/HER HOLY DOOR:
BORN: 1800 DIED 1884 (San Arc) (Good Female Elk Woman-Lost Woman)

SPOUSE: ARIKARA WOMAN
SON: FOUR HORNS: BORN: 1814, DIED 1887
SPOUSE: ROUGH WOOD

CHILDREN:
SON: LEAN BORN 1840
SON: FOUR HORNS BORN 1850
SPOUSE: PRETTY PLUME BORN 1847
CHILDREN
DAUGHTER: PRETTY PLUME 1874
DAUGHTER: ALICE EAGLE BORN 1879
SPOUSE: HER RED BLANKET BORN 1849
CHILDREN:
DAUGHTER: MARY FOUR HORN BORN 3/1875
SPOUSE: EUGENE YELLOW LODGE
SON: GEORGE FOUR HORN BORN 1887
SON: ALBERT FOUR HORNS BORN 7/1888
DAUGHTER: ANNA FOUR HORNS BORN 1891
SPOUSE: JOE IRON
SPOUSE: WOMAN FOLLOWING HER TRACKS
BORN 1853
CHILDREN:
DAUGHTER: RED HAWK WOMAN BORN 1882
SON: HOLY TRACKS BORN 1883
DAUGHTER: PRETTY COW BORN 1884
DAUGHTER: HER HORSE BORN 1885
SPOUSE: SHORT WOMAN
SPOUSE: GROS VENTRE
SON: HUNTS IN COLD BORN 1857

SPOUSE: BLUE THUNDER WOMAN
CHILDREN
DAUGHTER: RED WHITE COW/JENNY RED GREY COW
BORN 1861
SPOUSE: 2ND EUGENE NEW BLACK BEAR

FATHER JEROME OLD BLACK BEAR MOTHER WATER
CHILDREN
SON: HARRY NEW BLACK BEAR BORN 1880
SON: JOE NEW BLACK BEAR BORN 9/4/1895
DAUGHTER: SARAH NEW BLACK BEAR BORN 1909
DAUGHTER MOLLIE NEW BLACK BEAR BORN 1911
SPOUSE: DRAGGING WOMAN

SON: LOOKS FOR HIM IN A TENT: BORN 1822
DAUGHTER: GOOD LITTLE WOMAN-WICINCALA WASTE’WIN BORN 1816
MOTHER OF RED HAIL

DAUGHTER: DRIED MEAT WOMAN-WAMAHE WIN-ABT 1819
MOTHER OF BLACK MOON

2ND SPOUSE: ARIKARA WOMAN

DAUGHTER: RATTLING WOMAN

SON: CRAZY DOG: BORN 1846
1st SPOUSE: DOOR WOMAN
DAUGHTER- ISABELL CRAZY DOG BORN 1880
NEPHEW:MANY KNIVES BORN 1877
SON: SAMUEL KING (ORPHAN

ADOPTED BY CRAZY DOG) 1882
2nd SPOUSE: LITTLE TRICKS WOMAN
3rd SPOUSE-PRETTY CAMP-AGE 50 1889 CENSUS
MOTHER-IN-LAW-ON THE BUTTE WOMAN-AGE 64
SISTER-STRANGE WOMAN-AGE 44
SON: OLIVER LOOKING ELK-BORN 1846 DIED 1932
SPOUSE: LUCY BUFFTERFLY NATION BORN 1 DIED 1931
CHILDREN
DAUGHTER: ANNIE BROUGHT PLENTY BORN 1879
SPOUSE GILBERT BROWN
DAUGHTER: BESSIE LOOKING ELK BORN 1883
SPOUSE: ANTOINE IRON WHITEMAN
SON: OLIVER JAMES LOOKING ELK/KILL MOUNTED BORN 1885
SPOUSE: GERTRUDE TATTOOED BORN 1891 DIED 1935

CHILDREN:
SON: OLIVER LOOKING ELK BORN 1920
SON: CHARLES LOOKING ELK BORN 1923
DAUGHTER: LENA LOOKING ELK BORN 1926
ADOPTED BY REGINA GREYTRACK JAMERSON
SON: MELVIN LOOKING ELK BORN 1930
ADOPTED BY REGINA GREYTRACK JAMERSON
DAUGHTER: GRACE LOOKING ELK BORN 1890
DAUGHTER: AGNES LOOKING ELK BORN 1897
SON: ROAN HORSE

FATHER OF SITTING BULL (I): TATANKA PTAICA/JUMPING BADGER/HOLLOW BEAR
BORN: 1799 DIED; 1859 KILLED IN BATTLE WITH CROW

MOTHER: UMPAN WASTEWIN/HER HOLY DOOR: BORN: 1800 DIED 1884 (SAN ARC) (GOOD FEMALE ELK WOMAN-LOST WOMAN)

CHILDREN:
SON-SITTING BULL BORN: 1834 DIED:1890
SPOUSE
LIGHT HAIR
SNOW ON HER
RED WOMAN
SEEN BY HER NATION
FOUR ROBES

DAUGHTER-WAYAKAWASTEWIN/GOOD FEATHER: BORN: 1827
SPOUSE
WHITE BULL

DAUGHTER- TASINA ZIZI/TWIN WOMAN: BORN 1818
SPOUSE
LOOKING HORSE

DAUGHTER-BROWN SHAWL WOMAN: BORN 1831
SPOUSE
GROWLER

ADOPTED SON-LITTLE ASSINABOINE BORN 1844
SPOUSE
BITE OFF BORN 1844
CHILDREN:
SON: RED BREATH BEAR BORN 1850
SPOUSE: WHITE`COW
SON: RED HORN BORN 1859
SPOUSE: GUN WOMAN
YELLOW HAIR WOMAN BORN 1840

CHILDREN
SON: JUMPING BULL CHASES WOUNDED BORN 1869
SPOUSE: RACHEL
SON LOUIS JUMPING BULL BORN 1871
SPOUSE LIZZIE BORN 1876
CHILDREN
SON: SILAS JUMPING BULL BORN 1806
SON: THOMAS JUMPING BULL BORN 1910
DAUGHTER MERCY JUMPING BULL BORN 1911
SON: MELVIN JUMPING BULL BORN 1913
SON: SMITH JUMPING BULL BORN 1914
SON: THOMAS JUMPING BULL
SPOUSE: MARY
SON: MANY BROTHERS BORN 1875
DAUGHTER: CARRIE JUMPING BULL TO RETAIN BORN 1877
SON: WELL KILLED BORN 1878
SON: OLIVER JUMPING BULL HORSE THIEF BORN 1882
SPOUSE: MAMIE
SON: BLUE BORN 1885


SITTING BULL
SITTING BULL HAD FIVE WIVES THOUGH OUT HIS LIFETIME LIGHT HAIR, SNOW ON HER, RED WOMAN, SEEN BY HER NATION AND FOUR ROBES. 12 CHILDREN WERE BORN TO SITTING BULL.

SITTING BULL BORN 1834 DIED 12/15/1890
SPOUSES
1. LIGHT HAIR: MARRIED: 1851 DIED: 1857
SON BORN 1857 DIED 1877

2. SNOW ON HER-(ARIKARA WIFE) MARRIED 1861 AND DIVORCED 1869 AND RETURN TO HER PEOPLE AND REMARRIED AT FORT BERTHOLD RESERVATION. BORN: 1829 DIED: 1893
CHILDREN:
DAUGHTER: HER MANY HORSE BORN 1863 DIED 1888
SPOUSE: THOMAS FLY (YUHA KIYANPI) BORN 1861
MOTHER: GOOD NATION
CHILDREN:
SON: JOE FLY-TONKEYE WAKUWA-CHASES FRIST BORN 1884
DIED SEPTEMBER 20, 1912
DAUGHTER: STAND WITH WOMAN BORN 1888

THOMAS FLY 2ND SPOUSE: ALMA RAMSEY MARRIED 1888
ALMA BORN 1867-FATHER RAMEY MOTHER: TWO KETTLES
ALMA OTHER SPOUSES: JOHN THUNDERHAWK AND EDWARD SHOOTER

CHILDREN:
DAUGHTER: ANNA FLY BORN 1889
DAUGHTER: MARGARET FLY BORN 1892
SPOUSE: LOUIS MIDDLE BULL
SON: FRANK FLY BORN 1893
DAUGHTER: ROSIE FLY BORN 1894
SON: FELIX FLY BORN BORN 1895 DIED 1909
DAUGHTER: REGINA FLY BORN 1899
DAUGHTER MARY FLY BORN 1890, DIED 1910
SON: PHILIP FLY BORN 1894 DIED 1910
SON: LUKE FLY BORN 1894 DIED 1910
DAUGHTER: AGNES FLY BORN 1899 DIED 1910
SON: SAMMUEL FLY BORN 1907

DAUGHTER: SEE WALKING/WALKS LOOKING
BORN 1968 DIED 1887 ON THE GRAND RIVER
SPOUSE: ANDREW FOX MARRIED IN 1884.
ANDREW FOX-SUNGINA BORN 1861 DIED 1/30/1938
FATHER: THOMAS FOX MOTHER: PRETTY NATION
NEPHEW OF WHITE GHOST AND WIZI.

CHILDREN
SON BORN NAMED CHASE NEAR BORN 1884 DIED UNKNOWN
SRST CENSUS 1903 LISTED AS 19 YEARS OLD LAST LISTING
ALSO KNOWN AS ANDREW FOX JR AND JOHN PETER FOX.

ANDREW’S 2ND SPOUSE: ANNIE YELLOW EARS-
MOTHER: NO RELATIONS
CHILDREN:
DAUGHTER: LIZZIE FOX BORN 1892 DIED 1893
DAUGHTER: MARY FOX BORN 1893
DAUGHTER: SALLIE FOX BORN 1895 DIED 1896
SON: ANTOINE FOX BORN 1897 DIED 1898
DAUGHTER: SARAH FOX: 1900 DIED 1901
DAUGHTER: RUTH FOX BORN 1901
DAUGHTER: BESSIE FOX BORN 1903
SON: AUGUSTA FOX BORN 1904 DIED 1806
DAUGHTER: NELLIE FOX BORN 1905 DIED 1806
SON: CHARLES FOX BORN 1908 DIED 1911
DAUGHTER: IDA FOX BORN 1912 DIED 1915
DAUGHTER: ROSE FOX BORN 1917

3. RED WOMAN/SCARLET WOMAN
MARRIED: 1871 DIED1876 DIED FROM DISEASE
CHILDREN:
SON: NO NAME DIED IN CHILDBIRTH
SON: TAKES THE GUN, BORN 1868 DIED 1877 KILLED BY HEAD TRAUMA

4. SEEN BY HER NATION-BORN 1837 DIED 1897
FATHER: IRON TAIL-MOTHER-LAST WOMAN
1ST SPOUSE: BEAR LOUSE BORN 1864
MOTHER: TALKS A LOT

CHILDREN
SON: BLUE MOUNTAIN/LOUIS/LEWIS SITTING BULL/DEAF
BORN 1869 DIED 1956
SPOUSE: ZITKANAWASTEWIN-MARY PRETTY BIRD: DIED 1898
SPOUSE: HIDE
SPOUSE: WINYANCICLA LITTLE WOMAN BORN 1855
SON-WILLIAM/JOHN SITTING BULL/TAKES PART: BORN 1877 DIED:1956
SPOUSE: SCOUT WOMAN
CHILDREN
DAUGHTER: NANCY SITTING BULL 1903-1959
SPOUSE: GRORGE STEWARD

2ND SPOUSE: SITTING BULL BORN: 1831 DIED:1890
CHILDREN:

DAUGHTER: STANDING HOLY BORN
BORN: 1877 DIED 1927
SPOUSE: URBAN SPOTTED HORSE BORN 1873 DIED 1920
FATHER: HENRY SPOTTED HORSE MOTHER: ANNIE RED SCARLET

CHILDREN:
DAUGHTER: MYTLE SPOTTED HORSE BORN 1895
DAUGHTER: ALICE SPOTTED HORSE BORN 1898 DIED 1899
DAUGHTER: AGNES SPOTTED HORSE BORN 1899
DAUGHTER: JULIA SPOTTED HORSE BORN 1907
DAUGHTER: ANGELINE SPOTTED HORSE BORN 12/10/1903 DIED 4/17/1959
SPOUSE ALLISON LITTLE SPOTTED HORSE
CHILDREN:
DAUGHTER: GRACE LITTLE SPOTTED HORSE
BORN 1929
DAUGHTER: ELEANOR LITTLE SPOTTED HORSE BORN 1928
DAUGHTER: LYDIA LITTLE SPOTTED HORSE
BORN 1930
DAUGHTER: MARGARET LITTLE SPOTTED HORSE BORN 1933
DAUGHTER: MARLENE LITTLE SPOTTED HORSE BORN 1935
SPOUSE: ANDERSON
DAUGHTER: ETHEL LITTLE SPOTTED HORSE BORN 1937
SPOUSE: BATES
SON: ELI LITTLE SPOTTED HORSE BORN 1939

SPOUSE: CLAUDE LAPOINT
SON: ROBERT SPOTTED HORSE BORN 1906
DAUGHTER: SARAH SPOTTED HORSES BORN 1907
SPOUSE: DAVID LITTLE SPOTTED HORSE
BORN 1910 FATHER LUDLOW SPOTTED HORSE
MOTHER THERSA TREMBLE
SON: ELI SPOTTED HORSE BORN 1909
SON: ISAAC SPOTTED HORSE BORN 1911
DAUGHTER: MARY SPOTTED HORSE BORN 1915

5. FOUR ROBES/FOUR TIMES WOMAN BORN 1844 DIED 4/15/1929
FATHER: IRON TAIL MOTHER: LAST WOMAN

CHILDREN:
SON CROWFOOT: BORN 1876 DIED 1890 KILLED WITH FATHER
DAUGHTER: SIGHT OF LODGE WOMAN BORN: 1876
SPOUSE: FRIDAY SCARES
CHILDREN:
DAUGHTER: JENNIE FRIDAY SCARES BORN 1897
SPOUSE: RUEBEN BEAR ROBE

CHILDREN:
DAUGHTER: MARGARET BEAR ROBE
BORN 1925
SON: RAYMOND BEAR ROBES
BORN 9/3/1927
SON: WALLACE BEAR ROBE
BORN 6/28/1930
SON: ROGER OLY BEAR ROBE
BORN 1936
SON: RUN AWAY/ ALBERT RUNS AWAY FROM HIM:
BORN 1878 DIED 1918
SPOUSE: BARBARA SUSAN BEAR EAGLE
BORN 1876 DIED 1937
CHILDREN:
DAUGHTER: MARY ANN RUNS AWAY FROM HIM BORN 1899
DAUGHTER: DELLA RUNS AWAY FROM HIM BORN 1903
DAUGHTER: GLADYS RUNS AWAY FROM HIM BORN 1910
SON: GEORGE RUNS AWAY FROM HIM BORN 10/18/1914
DAUGHTER: MELDA RUNS AWAY FROM HIM BORN 1916
SON: WOUNDED: BORN: 1878
SPOUSE: JULIA TWO WHITE COW BORN 1875
FATHER: LIVING BEAR MOTHER: RED CROW

CHILDREN
HENRY THUNDERHAWK BORN 1896 DIED 6/29/1912
DAUGHTER: MARY MILLIE WOUNDED BORN 1899
SPOUSE: FRANK BLACK TAIL DEER
SON: SITTING EAGLE BORN 1880 DIED 1880
SON: TWIN OF SITTING EAGLE BORN 1880 DIED 1880
DAUGHTER TWINS: BORN 1882 DIED 1882
DAUGHTER: TWINS BORN 1882 DIED 1882
SON: SITTING BULL JR.: 1886 DIED 1886
DAUGHTER: GIRL BORN 1888 DIED 1888

ADOPTED SONS OF SITTING BULL:
SON: LITTLE SOLDIER/EUGENE LITTLE SOLIDER/AKICITA CIKCALA
BORN 1868 DIED 2/15/1932
SPOUSE: MARY
SPOUSE:MARTHA FLYING HAIL/RATTLING CLOUD BORN 1868
MOTHER: FLYING HAIL

CHILDREN
DAUGHTER: ALICE MEDICINE BLANKET BORN 1888
SON: HENRY LITTLE SOLDIER BORN 1889
SPOUSE JOSEPHINE
DAUGHTER: DAISY WALKS IN FRONT BORN 1893
SON: RUDOLPH LITTLE SOLDIER BORN 1896

DAUGHTER JENNIE LITTLE SOLDIER BORN 1901

SPOUSE: WILLIAM WEASEL BEAR
SON: CHARLES LITTLE SOLDIER BORN 1902
DAUGHTER: NELLIE LITTLE SOLDIER BORN 1903
SON: CHARLES LITTLE SOLDIER BORN 1907
DAUGHTER: MAGGIE LITTLE SOLDIER BORN 1910

SPOUSE: KILLS IN TIMBER

[Gary]

Amazing detail, Ladonna.

Gary

[Wakalapi]

Hau LaDonna,

Your absolutely amazing! I say thank you very very much for your dedication, commitment and lifetime support to our people & all people.

Pilamaya yelo!

Wakalapi

[tatanka]

I see from the Billings Gazette that Sitting Bulls' remains will not now be re-buried at LBH. His family have changed their minds and now want him buried somewhere only the family will know, similiar to Crazy Horse. Two of the reasons given were that they want no monuments or commercialisation of his gravesite. They.ve had enough of that. The other reason is that LBH is on the Crow Reservation and the Crow and Lakota were traditional enemies. As to the true identity of the remains the family are prepared to submit to DNA tests to prove the identity one way or another.

[Diane Merkel]

Let me add my thanks to LaDonna!

If anyone wants to read the Billings Gazette story about the family's decision, here's the link: www.billingsgazette.net/articles/2008/07/09/news/local/33-sittingbull.txt

[brock]

Eske Willerslev is nearly done extracting all the DNA. Should be within the next couple of weeks. At that time Ernie LaPointe will ask a Lakota medicine man (M. Helper) to help him to ask Sitting Bull's spirit what he wants to do about his burial site. The medicine man will help him get the answer and from this a clear path will be laid as to what actions or non-actions will be carried out. That's where we're at today.

He told me he still awaits for a wiping of tears ceremony as stated in his DVD from his grandfather's killers descendants but none have stepped up to the plate as yet.

[ladonna]

Maybe Ernie should ask them???

Duh!!!!!!

Who would he ask?

Who would he think is responsbile?

Just asking?

Shavedhead died with no issues,

Bullheads have never been asked, and they did make amends with Sarah Little Spotted Horse in 1993,

why do they have to do it gain with the next generations?

Red Tomahawks have not been asked either,
so if Ernie don't ask how is anyone suppose to
know

just asking

If there was a formal letter why has it not been showen to the families concerned?

So many questions.

[brock]

Ernie believes his family was wronged and that those who killed Sitting Bull, their descendants, know who the are and he believes they need to come to him with an offer of the wiping of the tears in the same manner that Crow Dog did with the descendants of Spotted Tail. He believes it should be done in a traditional way and that requesting it in a letter is not the Lakota way. He believes if it is to come from the heart then it must be volunteered. I do know that Standing Holy's descendants are angriest with the One Bull family. The story she passed down was that One Bull was the one who told McLaughlin. Angeline, Ernie's mother, witnessed a chance meeting between Standing Holy and One Bull where Standing Holy refused to look at him by wrapping a shawl around her eyes. She told him she would never look at him ever again because he had caused the death of Sitting Bull by reporting Sitting Bull's plan for leaving the rez to McLaughlin by riding all night to report to him. Clarence Grey Eagle saw One Bull duck back into his tipi just before the police arrived. Ernie found the paper trail amongst the National Archives in a letter written about recommending against the moving of the grave to the Grand River in 1922. McLaughlin was still in charge until July 1923. In that letter One Bull was named as a member of the police at the time of Sitting Bull's death. Ernie contends it is why One Bull did not move to Red Shirt Table with the rest of the family. And of course did not disclose everything to Vestal, thus keeping it from becoming common knowledge. However I do know several folks up there know the story. It was a Standing Rock woman that alerted the Smithsonian to Ernie and his sisters. Otherwise Ernie would have never known about the leggins and lock of hair. It's in the DVD (not the Standing Rock woman...that's something I just know from accompanying Ernie to the Smithsonian for the repatriation) and will be in Ernie's book which is due out in the spring of 2009. It is already written and will be published by Gibbs Smith Publishing. Hope that helps.

[ladonna]

So ernie just wants an apology from the One Bulls and not the rest of the people right?
I will copy your letter and give it to them.
I heard a story something like that but not that story. One bull was not in the camp so the story goes, the day Sitting bull was murdered. He pulled up his wagon just as Sitting Bull was killed.
It is said that he was getting supplies in Mandan so people started questioning where he was. he was an indian Police but was not on duty that day.

On the other hand it was Grey Eagle who was an indian police and took the indian police down to the camp. it is said he was still mad because sitting bull shamed him for stealing those horses in canada.


who know all the stories make interesting conbervsations.

[brock]

I think your best bet is to contact Ernie directly. I only can relate what I have heard him say several times and on video. I'm certainly not his negotiator.

[ladonna]

Good to know ;D

Grey Eagle was an Indian Police who worked for McLaughlin, it is also known that the Indian police stayed at Grey Eagle home the night before the death. It was Grey Eagle who pointed out Sitting Bull's home to the Indian police. He rode as far as the outside of the camp. The anger he felt for his brother-in-law was widly known here. When he and three other stole those horses in canada, The society wanted to punish all the offenders but Sitting Bull's wives pleaded with Sitting Bull not to disgrace their brother.
So they whipped the other but shamed Grey Eagle.
When moving back to the reservation he joined the Indian police.
Grey Eagle wasa given a homestead after the event and he did not leave with his sisters either.

Those are the records I have. I know that Ernie is a Grey Eagle may not want to talk about this.

[brock]

The story passed from Standing Holy (Sitting Bull's daughter) differs from the account you just wrote. Probably because the chance meeting of One Bull by Standing Holy with her daughter Angeline watching from the rear of the buckboard had such a strong impact, that impact has been passed down to the present family members. According to Ernie's oral history (those of you who have seen the Sitting Bull Part 2 DVD have already watched Ernie tell his story directly), One Bull's reply to Standing Holy's accusation was "Don't be saying that" . To me that's not a denial that's just a request to not accuse him. That's my personal thoughts on the reply. And there are many unanswered questions for instance, why did One Bull stay behind (or possibly he was left behind) when the majority of the family did not consider their environment safe. Afterall, this was not just about Sitting Bull getting killed, but family member Crowfoot and adopted family member Jumping Bull were killed too. So it was a huge deal to the family. Three family members killed by their neighbors or in this case neighborhood police would make any family edgy and I venture to say most families without exception who were thrust into their shoes would move to a different neighborhood as was the case with the Sitting Bull family. Even one of One Bull's wives moved with them according to Ernie and his sister's oral history. So the question remains why would One Bull feel safe in the very neighborhood that killed his uncle, his uncle's adopted brother, and his cousin. In a neighborhood where most of his immediate family members and even one of his wives deemed unsafe and fled. And an additional question might be why didn't he tell Vestal about where the rest of the family could be found and interviewed during his Sitting Bull interviews? Afterall he definitely knew where they were. Was it ego? Fear of what they might say? He forgot about them? Not until one of Ernie's aunts in the early 1990s told him he could no longer be silent about who was because the history of his grandfather was getting so all messed up. So he finally went public at an induction of Sitting Bull into a hall of fame in Oklahoma...it was the first mention of note outside the rez on his family's existence...I think there are some good questions in this that should be examined by some enterprising beings at some point.

In the case of Grey Eagle, Ernie, with the help of the curator at the Little Bighorn National Monument Museum, ordered the entire collection of Standing Rock Agency letters, memos, and paperwork from 1890 through 1930 on file from the National Archives. A huge, huge stack. He allowed me to puruse through all these letters while I visited him. In the letters pertaining to this incident that I read, some by McLaughlin, some by his cronies, I found no reference to the police staying at Grey Eagle's. They did say Grey Eagle did lead them through his property to Sitting Bull's cabin and held the horses while the arrest and gunfight took place. However Ernie and his sisters blame Grey Eagle equally. Make no mistake. His son, Clarence, is the one who observed One Bull returning to his tipi. Ernie's mom and aunt had a brief reconcilation with Clarence in the 1950s. But it was not a full embrace. Certainly not enough for me to hear anything nice said about the Grey Eagles in four years. They say Seen By Her Nation, Standing Holy's mother, died while never forgiving her brother. But as I stated above the greatest rancor is reserved for One Bull as the 'spy' who kept McLaughlin informed by telegraph from a school house in Little Eagle. When Sitting Bull became suspicious that he had a leak, he decided to tell his followers he was going to meet with Red Cloud the night before the morning he was to leave. The thinking being that would not be enough time to inform McLaughlin. Since the school house was closed at night, One Bull rode all night to reach McLaughlin in time and then continued to ride back to be back in his tipi prior to daybreak, killing his horse in the process, according to Ernie and his sister's oral history.

Another question is that when the family moved to Red Shirt Table it was quite a large contingent. There was no community of Red Shirt Table at all prior to their moving there. One Bull or Grey Eagle easily could have become the leader of this group. But both stayed behind. Once again why? Did they choose to or were they rejected by the family?

I know even today the anger and competitiveness still exists between Ernie and his sisters and the One Bulls. The One Bulls contested Ernie's right to getting his great grandfather's lock of hair and leggins back from the Smithsonian...a member of the One Bull family even called five minutes before the repatriation ceremony to try to stop it according to Bill Billeck, the administrative head of repatriation at the Smithsonian. But Billeck asked them (according to Billeck it was the tribal chairman of Standing Rock) to fax him proof of their claims that they should recieve Sitting Bull's belongings instead of Ernie and the fax remained silent. The battle over the lock of hair and leggins was a four year battle between the families. This is something that Billeck told me directly during a private face to face conversation with him. My point being that the anger and competitiveness seems to be a two way street.

I find it a fascinating story to say the least.

[ladonna]

I would like to know who was this large family that traveled to Pine Ridge, according to McLaughlin he gave Sitting Bull'swives and children the right to leave.

I know they left Sitting Bull's grandson Chases Near with his Father, they did not take any of the Grey eagels with them, nor did they take any other family members with them.

The Two Grey Eagle' sister, one sister's children from Bear Louse, the other her daughter Stands Holy,

None of Sitting Bull's family went with them.
In Fact both Four Horn and Blackmoon died on Standing Rock in 1888 and 1889.
One Bull stayed with his uncles Four Horns.
One Bull's wife did not leave with the sisters.
She left with the group to Wounded Knee as the records
say he had gotten rid of that wife because she was
mean to his children.

He kept his wife with him Red Whirlewind Woman who raised all his children.
One Bull adopted Growler's son who died which was Sitting Bull's sister children and raised him until he died as a young man

Jumping Bull died in 1859 in a battle with the Crow!!!!!!!
Who are you talking about? the only other Jumping Bull was
One Bull's son who died from fever.

Three family members killed by their neighbors or in this case neighborhood police would make any family edgy and I venture to say most families without exception who were thrust into their shoes would move to a different neighborhood as was the case with the Sitting Bull family.

I would not say the Indian police were the neighbors? Both Red Tomahawk and Bullhead were Yanktonais not Hunkpapa and live almost 60 miles away.

Sitting Bull Family did not move, the Grey Eagle sister moved to another reservation. They requested permission after they sold Sitting Bull's cabin to Major Parkins they requested permission to leave. They left the spring of the next year.

I have documents from one of the Indian poilce wrote in Lakota that tells of what they did the night before and what he did after the death. That is why we know about grey Eagle.

Who know One Bull could be the same. I do know from many recorded that One Bull was not in the camp at the time of the arrest and showed up on his return trip from mandan.

[brock]

LaDonna,

Is there a way to get hold of a copy of the Lakota document by the policeman? You wouldn't have to translate it. ;-)

Jumping Bull died in 1859 in a battle with the Crow!!!!!!!
Who are you talking about? the only other Jumping Bull was
One Bull's son who died from fever.

In reference to the above: Ernie told me that Little Assinboine, Sitting Bull's adopted brother, was renamed Jumping Bull as an adult. The marker out at the Grand River has the name 'Tatanka Psica' on it. Doesn't that translate out to Jumping Bull?

Thank You.

[ladonna]

OK understand, I did seen the name on the monument at Sitting Bull's cabin site yesterday. Sitting Bull's father was also called Jumping Bull and he died in 1859 according to the winter counts.

I will have to dig it out of my files, I have so much information on this man. I collected indian police statements as well as other people's statements. I have listen to the descendant in two different meetings. I had the pleasure of meeting Sarah little Spotted Horse, what a nice lady. It was a great sorrow when she died.
We collected statement from Sarah and other at the meeting and had to listen to each family say their side of the stories. Many were rumors or so and so said. but we recorded all of it then stated the research on the stories.
I worry when history get to be the rumors so I have to speak up.

For the record I don't have a position one way or the other in this family dispute but would like to stay with historic facts.