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Post by noizzy on Dec 10, 2012 13:37:45 GMT -5
Hello,
my name is Mateusz. In the beginning I would like to apologize because I do not speak English too well. So, please forgive my grammar mistakes.
I come from Poland and I work in publishing house. Currently I`m working on textbook in which there is some information (brief and interesting for Polish children) about Chiricahua. Therefore I have some questions and I hope that you can help me:
1) Should we refer to Chiricahua as to a tribe/nation/people/band? Or should we use another word?
2) Is it true that in Chiricahua language there is much less words for members of family than in other languages?
3) How to pronounce these words and what do they exactly mean: shidedee, shinale?
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Post by coeurrouge on Dec 10, 2012 15:07:23 GMT -5
1) The Chiricahua call themselves Nde, "The People". In their sense there were no tribe or nation. A child belonged to her mother family, apart some exceptions. The family belong to a gota, a local group. this was several family associated around one leader, belongin generally to an hadzill, rich family. When they though the leader was no good they change of it or move on another gota. The gotas are independant of eachother, some can be on peace while others were at war against the same party. The gotas belongs to a band (Chihennes, Chokonens, Nedni and Bedonkohe). Each band recognized several chief. Pisago Cabezon, Mangas Coloradas and Cochise have enough influence on the Chiricahuas at all.
In occidental terms I would says that Apache was a Nation, Chiricahua a tribe, Chihenne a band...
2) The cousin are sisiters and brother, especially in the mother side, as well the true brothers and sisters. It aws the same for the nephew and nieces. I think it was the same rules for most of the Native American People.
3) I don't know.
If you know french language I invite you to go on my website, Chiricahua pages.(links on the left)
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Post by penjady on Dec 10, 2012 21:58:44 GMT -5
1. We are called Nde'dende.. "The People" We call ourselves The People for this simple reason... of the entire world, we were placed here by our Gods to watch over this particular piece of land. We take care of this land and we flourish. Neglect our duty and we suffer. Each Apache was free to follow who they wish to follow for any reason. Its not a Tribe. Or Nation. Or People. Or band. But multiple "fellowships" (and I do not like that word) in the Area for the Apaches.
Today (2012) it would be appropriate for Tribe/Nation because it is so diversified.
To be more precise in the language... we are identified by who the leader was... So to say.. "Thats Cochise's people" and "Thats Jose's people" etc was appropriate. We were also identified by the location of our main camping sites... "Dark Canyon People" or "Grows in Water People" By mentioning these places, The People were able to determine history, lineage and family.
When the Apache wars started to minimize these factions, they started to become noticed as one group.
2. The Apache language is very descriptive. Its not just "sister" but more.. "My Sister who is younger" So of course, there is "MY sister that is older" "My inlaw" "My Husbands Brother" Etc. It also based on the Speakers Gender and the other persons gender. I cant tell you if its less or more unless you give me a number.
4. I don't know what your attempting to say. So I will do some words for you. Shi'Ma (My mom) Bi'Ma (That persons mom) Ni'Ma (YOur mom). Shi'Ta (My dad) Bi-Ta (That persons dad) Ni-Ta (Your dad).
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Post by naiches2 on Dec 11, 2012 4:41:08 GMT -5
1. We are called Nde'dende.. "The People" We call ourselves The People for this simple reason... of the entire world, we were placed here by our Gods to watch over this particular piece of land. We take care of this land and we flourish. Neglect our duty and we suffer. Each Apache was free to follow who they wish to follow for any reason. Its not a Tribe. Or Nation. Or People. Or band. But multiple "fellowships" (and I do not like that word) in the Area for the Apaches. , very clearly describing a world that has disappeared. Modern man can seldom see so clearly in his place in society, the state, or in nature. |
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Post by noizzy on Dec 11, 2012 8:28:04 GMT -5
Thank you for answers.
In a textbook there is information like that: shidedee in Chiricahua langauge means: uncle, aunt and nephew (one word for those three family members). Is that correct?
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Post by penjady on Dec 11, 2012 21:14:21 GMT -5
Thank you for answers. In a textbook there is information like that: shidedee in Chiricahua langauge means: uncle, aunt and nephew (one word for those three family members). Is that correct? Shi'deede' means.. Her Aunt from her dads side from a woman speaker. If the aunt was talking to her niece from her brother.. it would be the same.. Shi'deede' If she was talking about her sisters children or aunt, it would be different. And it would be different for a man to talk about his brothers/sisters children or uncles/aunts. It would also be proper to call nieces/nephews as their own children. |
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