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Post by charlie on Jun 13, 2012 11:46:11 GMT -5
I have found the indian name of White Hawk: VOHPEAENOHE His father Black Mocassin was one of the four Northern Cheyenne Deciders at LBH. At which band belonged him (and his son)? Don't exsist images of him?
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Post by charlie on Jun 13, 2012 11:58:03 GMT -5
I also have read that the famous chief ICE (or White Bull) was son of Black Mocassin, and then brother of White Hawk. It's right?
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Post by grahamew on Jun 13, 2012 14:01:01 GMT -5
Dunno, Charlie. I read that about both of them too, but haven't seen anything that makes a connection. White Hawk is only described as a minor chief. Where did he surrender? Robinson? Keogh? Wherever it was, it was to be with his father, Black Moccasin.
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Post by cinemo on Jun 13, 2012 14:40:29 GMT -5
Hi charlie ,
who was the father of Ice ( White Bull ) , a point at issue . Grinnell had stated, that Black Moccasin was White Bull`s father , but maybe was North Left Hand the father of White Bull
Source : Sweet Medicine , by Peter J. Powell / see page 127
As far as I know, White Bull was a medicine man, not a chief
greetings - cinemo
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Post by charlie on Jun 14, 2012 6:09:03 GMT -5
I think that ICE (or White Bull) belonged to the O'MI'SIS (Eaters) band, but I'm not sure.
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Post by charlie on Jun 14, 2012 6:10:09 GMT -5
I think that ICE (or White Bull) belonged to the O'MI'SIS (Eaters) band, but I'm not sure.
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Post by cinemo on Jun 14, 2012 13:15:54 GMT -5
White Bull or Ice is known as a Northern Cheyenne, but formerly he had lived in the South.
In > Cheyenne Memories < by John Stands In Timber is mentioned, White Bull was a Suhtai
cinemo
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Post by grahamew on Jun 17, 2012 12:19:28 GMT -5
Here's a better photo of Young Spotted Eagle/Scorched Lightning (I have seen him under another name, but can't remember what): A larger version of the portrait of Wolf Voice: A larger version of Rain in the Face: And the alternate Rain in the Face photo:
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Post by Dietmar on Jun 18, 2012 9:26:05 GMT -5
Excellent scans again, Grahame! Here are more Huffmanns: "Tall Bull and Indian Police. Lame Deer, 1892." "Tall Bull is in the lead on the dark horse, Woman Leggins rides beside him on the paint horse. The rider in the rear is Zac. Rowland, half-breed son of the scout Bill Rowland." (Felton/Brown: Before Barbed Wire, page 216) [this is Jacob Tall Bull, not the famous chief of same name] "Two Sans Arc Sioux with antelope skins on ponies, in front of my old shack at Ft. Keogh, 1879" "Two Moon´s Teepee, Lame Deer, 1896"
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Post by grahamew on Jun 18, 2012 13:21:22 GMT -5
Hunkpapa village, 1878: The alternate view of the Crow scout posted earlier in the thread: Lone Wolf, Crow Scout (1878?):
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Post by grahamew on Jun 19, 2012 13:32:10 GMT -5
I think this is another early Huffman: Carries His Food occasionally labelled as Sits Down Spotted, but clearly not the man whose picture was posted earlier in the thread):
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Post by andersen on Jun 24, 2012 12:07:36 GMT -5
Regarding the Cheyenne leader White Hawk, who stayed out with Lame Deer, but who managed escaping Miles without loss of lives, I have read somewhere that a White Hawk was one of the leaders of a group of Cheyenne who were transferred west with the Arapahoes from Camp Robinson in the Autumn of 1877. Later, some time in 1878, this White Hawk tried leaving Wind River with a group of people, but was forced to return by Arapaho scouts. In midsummer the following year (1879), according to Finerty, we find a White Hawk serving as a scout with the other Cheyenne scouts in Northern Montana against Sitting Bull. Would it be possible to put forward the theory, that White Hawk did go to Fort Keogh with other Cheyenne and Sioux fighters in order to check out surrender terms there, but, like e.g. quite a number of Hump´s followers, chose to cast the lot with Lame Deer. Then following the death of this leader, White Hawk will stay out until surrendering either at Camp Sheridan or Camp Robinson possibly around September 1877. Then the transfer West with the Arapaho and in-married Cheyenne a month later. Following his attempt to leave Wind River 1878 he may have scouted with the Arapaho againt the Bannock later that year, thus getting in contact with Miles and fellow Cheyenne scouts from Fort Keogh in order to be present in Montana 1879 and posing for Huffmann.
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Post by grahamew on Jun 28, 2012 14:25:56 GMT -5
I suspect you may be right - or close to the truth. I wonder if it was the same White Hawk scouting against Sitting Bull... Initially, I though the photo of the two Crow men I posted earlier was a Huffman from 1878-9 era, but Henri, in another post, indicated the backdrop reveals it to be a Barthelmess (and therefore late 1880s). Here it is again, with its companion piece, both featuring Little Crow and his brother:
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Post by grahamew on Jul 2, 2012 14:19:17 GMT -5
Sweat Lodge, Lakota village, 1890s??? Cheyenne boy, 1878, but I suspect it's later Annie, Cheyenne Black Wolf, 1901 American Horse (Cheyenne) beside his tipi, 1889 Fire Wolf, Lakota scout, 1878-9 (Cheyenne? Later?) Cheyenne mother and child, 1878/9
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Post by Dietmar on Jul 3, 2012 7:41:26 GMT -5
I think the Fire Wolf portrait is originally a Barthelmess.
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