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Post by bryan on Sept 20, 2012 15:46:48 GMT -5
That picture is also a "first camp" picture from 1894.
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Post by naiches2 on Sept 20, 2012 15:52:01 GMT -5
Perhaps old Fatty  Attachments:
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Post by bryan on Sept 20, 2012 15:56:02 GMT -5
Perhaps old Fatty Not sure who that is, but he's Chiricahua and that's after they went to Mescalero. I don't think its Old Man Fatty. |
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Post by Mithlo on Sept 20, 2012 23:14:54 GMT -5
Bryon, have heard of you, the grandson of Phyllis and yes we are related......we are ALL related.....has always been so. Therefore we have the responsibility to have "Mutual Respect" for one another. That has not always been easy....given our people's past and history......but we are one......related as we are......is like one large family......in which respect is "a must". This forum is very important: Good photo's....Good questions and answers....Good identifications and information....even Good opinions......calling for respect and decent attitude among us all. There are several N'de/Apache here: besides you and I, there is my "CUZ" (a very good and Knowledgeable man) and Enjady....Gooday.... and even Leland from time to time. I only wish there were more of us here, because what we all say and do on this forum may someday......50,....or even 100 years from now.....be of great recorded reference and information to all N'de/Apache decendents in the future!!!! Hey Mithlo, I'm guessing we are related somehow. I'm descended from Harry Perico. I just posted the correct identifications. In this well known photograph, I have never seen but a few Identified. I will attempt to ID all of them to the best of my knowledge. Remember, I might not be completely correct on all of them, so if anyone has a different opinion or idea, I'm open to suggestions. Note: I believe the photo to have been taken around early 1929. Back: Mason Kawaykla, James Nicholas, "possibly" = Harold Kawaykla, Lawrence Mithlo, John Loco, Jason Betzines, Lot Eyelash, and Quinton Eyelash. Middle: James Kawaykla, Dorothy (Naiche) Kawaykla, Nah-thlet-la, "possibly"= Marion (Juan) Loco, Bessie (Hunlona) Gooday, Talbot Gooday. Front: "All possibly" Minnie (Nicholas) Zurega, Mary Zurega (Cripps), Evangeline Zurega (Chappabitty), and Benjamin Zurega Jr |
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Post by Mithlo on Sept 20, 2012 23:30:00 GMT -5
Hugh Chee (on horseback) in the winter of 1894? Chee was still at Carlisle until Nov. 7, 1895. Also, Spitty was still married to Zah-nah in 1894 and yet he and wife Clara Belle Spitty are identified as the couple on the far left. Clara Belle's record here states she was born in 1885, meaning she was only 9 or 10 years old in the winter of 1894-1895. Yes.... she did indeed marry Spitty at a young age....but not THAT young. ;D (The photo is years later than1894).  How about it? Hugh Chee on horseback, David Chimney is second from the left. I can't recall any other's. |
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Post by Mithlo on Sept 20, 2012 23:38:02 GMT -5
As for David Kazhe....he was not married nor did he have children in 1894? .....he was still at Carlisle until Nov. 7, 1895....thats what his record here says! I remember that being identified as David Kazhe. |
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Post by bryan on Sept 21, 2012 1:53:46 GMT -5
As for David Kazhe....he was not married nor did he have children in 1894? .....he was still at Carlisle until Nov. 7, 1895....thats what his record here says! I remember that being identified as David Kazhe. I referenced the Pictorial History books put together and the "first camp" photos are taken in the winter of 1894 and 1895. I'm going to check out that fort sill book and see if thats where he is identified as David Kazhe. I'm sure you are also using the antecedents document as reference as well? Yes Phyllis is my Grandmother. If you don't mind me asking, who's your folks? |
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Post by bryan on Sept 21, 2012 2:05:13 GMT -5
Hugh Chee (on horseback) in the winter of 1894? Chee was still at Carlisle until Nov. 7, 1895. Also, Spitty was still married to Zah-nah in 1894 and yet he and wife Clara Belle Spitty are identified as the couple on the far left. Clara Belle's record here states she was born in 1885, meaning she was only 9 or 10 years old in the winter of 1894-1895. Yes.... she did indeed marry Spitty at a young age....but not THAT young. ;D (The photo is years later than1894). I have the date mixed up but I remember it being identified as Hugh Chee. I'm a little rusty. Hugh Chee on horseback, David Chimney is second from the left. I can't recall any other's. |
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Post by naiches2 on Oct 10, 2012 17:26:25 GMT -5
Stephen Kyzha and Family Attachments:
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Post by Mithlo on Oct 11, 2012 21:54:09 GMT -5
No.......not Stephen Kyzha.......he never had any children....not here at Fort Sill  |
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Post by naiches2 on Oct 11, 2012 23:41:16 GMT -5
You right, I checked it. But who is?
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Post by naiches2 on Oct 16, 2012 19:14:19 GMT -5
New Photo: David 'Old' Fatty, Nedni Born 1858/50, Died Jul 28, 1934 at Mescalero. Famous Medicine Man and Scout in Geronimo Campain. Step-father of Sam Kenoi. Attachments:
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Post by kayitah on Oct 17, 2012 5:14:39 GMT -5
Apache scout at Mescalero Reservation, seems to be Martin Kayitah to me. Official title of the photograph "Apache Scout, Mescalero Indian Reservation, New Mexico" Date - between 1912 and 1953 Attachments:
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Post by kayitah on Oct 17, 2012 5:58:55 GMT -5
"One Hundred Twenty Year Old Mescalero Apache Medicine Man" Date "between 1912 and 1953" Attachments:
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Post by naiches2 on Oct 23, 2012 23:27:31 GMT -5
Fort Sill Apache Man, but who is? Attachments:
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