Chiricahua - Fort Sill - Faces and Name's

[Second]

Mithlo how did this two Comanche ladies Totite and her daughter Herwanna Hositosavit ended up in Fort Sill. I know that Herwanna ended up in White Tail with Eugene Chihuaha and her grandson, 4 y/o Vernon in the 1940's.

[Mithlo]

Comanche's and Kiowa's have been around here a very long time. Within 50-60 mile distance of Fort Sill are THOUSANDS of Native people..........of many tribe's. Totite herself was married to Chevato's brother Dinero, they had a son together, Thomas Totite born in 1900. Thomas was a half-brother to Herwanna (Totite's daugther by her first marriage). Totite died in 1915 when Thomas was bout 15 years old. Maggie Heath (Chevato's Granddaugther) married Elmer Parker (Quannah Parker family), and he died as an old man in 1988......Maggie Heath Parker died in 1991. The boy in the photo, Allen Hosetosavit died in 1912 at around age 10 or 11. Herwanna had several children.....6...maybe7 by her first husband who died in the 1920's.......believe I recall his name as being Robert Hosetosavit. Now.....when Eugene Chihuahua's first wife died he returned here to Fort Sill to stay a while. He and Herwanna either married here or in New Mexico, not sure, yet they settled-in to married life together at White Tail (Mescalero) along with her 5 children. This must have been in the mid-late 1930's and they divorced sometime in the late 1940's, where as Herwanna and one daugther returned here to Indiahoma and 2 son's,Albert Hosetosavit and Levi Hosetosavit, remained at Mescalero as did her two older daugther's, one whom was married to Sutherland Comanche and the other daugther was married to Melford Yuzos(her name may have been Kathlene). Herwanna Chihuahua died here in 1953, and is buried in Post Oak Indian Cemetery, Indiahoma, near her mother, first husband, children and many other relatives.

[ulzana]

Well, so the Hosetosavit are not descendants of Eugene Chihuahua?

[Mithlo]

There isn't a "YES" or "NO" answer to your question.....because in our way's.......we call it "RELATED" or just "FAMILY".....that's all there is to it!

[Mithlo]

Ni-yah at Ft. Sill.

(She surrendered with the Chihuahua/Jolsanny group, but three known family members were still with the Geronimo group in Mexico.)

[Mithlo]

(Ft. Sam Houston Texas 1886)

Left: Charlotte Leo Sahnne
Right: Nah-chlohn (wife of Chappo Geronimo)

Ni-yah's daughter Leo Sahnne, Ni-yah's nephew Gardiltha, and Ni-yah's second cousins grand daughter Nah-chlohn were the three known family members of Ni-yah's that surrendered with Geronimo's group in 1886.

[naiches2]

A lot of thanks Mithlo!

[coeurrouge]

Thanks a lot too.

[jasper4]

Oct 2, 2013 21:06:38 GMT -5 Mithlo said:

There isn't a "YES" or "NO" answer to your question.....because in our way's.......we call it "RELATED" or just "FAMILY".....that's all there is to it!

Thank you for this Cuz enjun

[tkavanagh]

Re Totite, Herwaney, and Hosetosavit

Totite, f Ekawaddi, m Ohaymoque, both “Mexican” captives;
member of Tabbyko’s [aka Tokuhma, aka Black Horse] local band of Kwahadas.
m
1) Tosawoosowe [parents unknown, b ca 1830] {yes, he was an old man when he married Totite}; died ca 1902,
d Herwauney [agency spelling], b ca 1890; m Robert Watsekoweah Hosetosavit [f Suweka, m Weckboyah; b. ca 1885.]
s Allen b 1902, no allot;
d Popsup (aka Lucy)
(2) Powetype
d Margaret;
(3) Penaro,
s Thomas

[Mithlo]

On this photo, I have studied long and hard and decided that the people in the photograph do not match up with any apache prisoners of war in the winter of 1894-1895, except one….. The Sundayman family…. Consisting of Waldo (Tsedekizen) Sundayman, His wife Ken-i-e-nidlth, their daughter Jessie, and infant son Waldo Sundayman Jr... Jessie was born in Alabama in 1892 and Waldo Jr. was born in Alabama in 1894. The year after this photo was taken Ken-i-e-nidlth gave birth to another daughter on Dec 3rd 1895 (her name was Grace Rose Sundayman) and two days later on Dec. 5th 1895 Ken-i-e-nidlth’s daughter Jessie died. Waldo Jr. died in 1897 and his mother Ken-i-e-nidlth died in 1898. Grace Rose Sundayman died in 1911. Sundayman later married Sallie Zah-ah-zhe (ex-wife of Mithlo) and they started a family together and went to Mescalero in 1913. I have studied the faces of the man and woman in the photograph with known photographs of both Sundayman and Ken-i-e-nidlth and have concluded that this is indeed the Sundayman family.

[Mithlo]

Said to be Mike Dah-ke-ya (in white shirt) and some of his children (grandchildren of Geronimo) along with several others in the winter of 1894-1895…Does anyone know the identity of the other man in the photograph or of the other children?

[dT]

Mithlo - have to say that I am amazed and impressed by your ability to identify
these people. I don't know how you do this. You are an irreplaceable resource!!
It's an awesome contribution, my friend.
dT

[naiches2]

Thank you, Mithlo!

[Isaiah Spitty]

Apr 3, 2012 10:32:35 GMT -5 naiches2 said:

Clara Spitty was a extraordinary woman:

Exept from ALBUQUEBQUE MORNING JOURNAL - July 25, 1925

INDIAN WOMAN GIVES POISON TO AID CUPID

Clara Spitty and Casper Cailas, Mescalero Held for Plot Against Life of Woman's Husband
Clara Spitty and Casper Cailas, Indians from Mescalero reservation, are held here on a government charge of attempted murder of Clara's husband. Eric Spitty, in a trial before United States Commissioner A. F. Monger Thursday afternoon.
Mrs. Spitty pleaded guilty, charging Cailas was Instigator of the crime. Both are in jail here
In lieu of $1.000 bond each. She is to appear In federal court, Albuquerque, August 3, Cailas to await action of grand Jury.
Mrs. Spitty's confession was thru while Eric was herding sheep in the White Tall area of the reservation, she was living secretly with Cailas.
They conspired to kill Eric so they could marry. She said they ought the strychnine at Tularosa on the pretext of poisoning a dog.
Clara worked the poison into meat which she sent to Eric, she stated. The meat tasted bitter, Eric said, and he threw some to the dog, which died In a few minutes.
Clara testified she was wakeful all night, thinking Eric was dead, but was surprised when he appeared at the wigwam next morning.
She put poison in his gravy [for breakfast, she said. Suspicious, he made her take some, but (she ran to the door and spit it out. This killed the family cat and Eric told his troubles, to friends, who notified Indian authorities.
In the crowded court room hero Eric testified to the, above facts, but hung close to Clara, protecting her as much as possible. His little children, two and four, hung to his knees. His mother dropped her stoical attitude and sobbed violently, crying how sorry she was. Eric fought when remanded to jail and was taken bodily to a cell by three police officers.
Clara, is over 40, and married to Spitty for 20 years. Cailas is one of the Fort Sill band, and said to be a trouble maker at the agency.

Eric Spitty 1868 – 1927
Clara Spitty 1880 – 19??
Casper Cailis 1876 – 1960