Looking for portraits

[emilylevine]

Hello friends and colleagues---and photograph experts.

To illustrate the 60+ biographical sketches that will make up volume two of my edition of the Josephine Waggoner manuscripts (forthcoming University of Nebraska Press), I have been gathering photographs or paintings of each man.

It’s been difficult. For some of these men there are so many images it’s difficult to choose how to best portray them. For others it’s simple---we have only one image.

I am still searching for a few and know that this is the best place to find people who would know if images exist of these men:

1. Bear Face (other than the image of the line of chiefs at Standing Rock)
2. Bear Ribs, the one who was killed in 1862 (other than the Carl Wimar painting)
3. Black Spotted Horse, the Two Kettle
4. Bone Club (Bone Tomahawk)
5. Cross Bear, Hunkpapa
6. Crow Feather---I thought I had one, but I believe it is Long Feather
7. Fire Heart, the one born in the 1850s. Looking for something better than the one I have
8. Gray Eagle, don’t have a very good one
9. Lame Deer
10. Little Bear, the Mnicoju
11. One Horn (by himself)
12. Real Buffalo also known as Heyokahmi, Hunkpapa
13. Spotted Rabbit (from Cheyenne River, don’t have a good one)
14. White Swan, not Paul, but the one who lived from approx. 1780-1880
15. Yellow Horse, Mnicoju
16. Spotted Eagle, b. 1859, son of the famous Sans Arc chief

I will need high resolution TIFs, so (unless you have the rights to an image) it would help me to know in what repository the image can be found.

I appreciate all of your help.
Emily

[ladonna]

Emily the only picture i know of Bear Face is the one with the other chief.

[grahamew]

Never seen a photo of Lame Deer. Would there even have been an occasion where one was possible? Didn't Huffman photograph Young Spotted Eagle twice or has this been found to be a different man? I know he's also labelled as Scorched Lightning but I'd presumed this was another name he was known by.


Grey Eagle by Barry

Have you checked the James Lucas thread in Photographers - there's a different photo of the chiefs at Standing Rock, clearly taken the same day. There are also some other Lucas photos, presumably of prominent mean at Standing Rock that need identifying.

[emilylevine]

Thank you grahamew

Ah yes, I remember I found that Huffman photo of "young" Spotted Eagle; need to track down how to get it.
I wondered the same thing about the possibility of a Lame Deer photo existing.
And thanks for the Gray Eagle---heck of a crucifix! I see that Denver Public Library has it. (I finished a big order with them and now I keep bugging them for "just one more". . . .

And I'll check the Lucas thread.

I appreciate your help, you were one of the people I had in mind on this forum who is an image expert.
em

[grahamew]

Did Grey Eagle accompany Sitting Bull to Canada when he was with Cody?

Here's 'White Eagle' taken by Notman in Montreal, 1885:



Is this the same man? The nose looks similar.

On the group photos of Sitting Bull and Cody etc, his name as given as Crow Eagle:



From...



Here's Barry's photo of Crow Eagle. Is this the same man as above??





Personally, I don't think Barry's Crow Eagle is the same man photographed with Sitting Bull in Canada, but I do think 'White Eagle' could be 'Grey Eagle'...


Grey Eagle by Barry; mid 80s?

[grahamew]

Hmmm, looking at the photos again, I'm not so sure...

[shan]

grahamew,

Difficult one. They are certainly very similar, but whatever it was that left that nervous, rather disturbed look on White Eagles face; if he is one and the same man as grey Eagle, then it must have cleared up by the mid 80s to be replaced with the look of a man totally at peace with himself.

Again I'll conceded that White Eagle and Crow Eagle have a similar look, but I feel fairly certain that in this case that they are not the same man whose been mis-named.

Incidentally, Crow Eagle has the look of a man who only reluctantly sat, {or stood} for those photographs, the look of a man who might have been a hard line traditionalist. Has anyone any information on him and what became of him?

Shan

[Dietmar]

Hi Emily,

I´m afraid we don´t have portraits of the men you listed other than those you mentioned of Bear Face II (in the group photos), Bears Rib I (by Wimar), Gray Eagle, One Lorn II (Lone Horn) and Spotted Eagle Jr., or at least I haven´t seen them yet.

Also as far as I can remember, I haven´t heard of any proof that the Huffman portraits of Young Spotted Eagle do not show a younger relative - son or nephew - of the Sans Arc leader.

I´ve read about the Black Spotted Horse/Spotted Horse question in another thread here. I would be careful to assume that the 1867 portrait of Spotted Horse, Two Kettle, show indeed Black Spotted Horse. I´ve seen in one list of Two kettle treaty signers (1868?, I have to look) that there were two people with this quite similar name.

I agree with Shan about the Gray Eagle/Crow eagle photos. There is a resemblance, but the Crow Eagle images show an older man, I think. Both, Crow Eagle and Gray Eagle were members of the group on tour with Sitting Bull when they were photographed by Notman. There is another group shot that shows Sitting Bull and Gray Eagle together, then clearly younger than Crow Eagle.

[grahamew]

Right - this one!



Just out of interest, Dietmar, do you think the photos of Crow Eagle show the same man?

[emilylevine]

Thank you all.
I see the resemblance between Gray Eagle and White Eagle---but not Crow Eagle.
Dietmar: if I understand you correctly, you do not know of any images of the men on my list other than the ones you mention. I sure have been looking. (I've been trying for months to get a scan of that Wimar painting from the Missouri Historical Museum; I think I'm finally getting somewhere.) I agree with you about Black Spotted Horse and Spotted Horse.

Perhaps in the next few weeks some more pictures will still surface. I know of a collector in South Dakota I can contact to see if he knows of any.

I might end up using name glyphs for some of these men.

Of course, the hardest ones for me to choose were Sitting Bull, Gall, Running Antelope, American Horse, Grass, Hollow Horn Bear and a few others who have so many images.

Do we assume that the image we know of the chiefs in a line at Standing Rock was taken by Lucas as we now know that he took a very similar one. Or could it be they were all posing and a few photographers took advantage of the situation?

So, I have a bit longer till my deadline should anyone know of additional images of the men on my list at the top of this thread. Again, thank yo hall so much.

em

[Dietmar]

This is Gray Eagle in 1888. I believe the portrait matches to the first Barry picture and the group photo with Sitting Bull.

[grahamew]

Here's another Grey Eagle, by Fiske (early 20th century?):