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Post by kayitah on Mar 16, 2011 16:43:05 GMT -5
Please have a look at the photographs below. Do they show one man? Or two? Or even three? I myself ain't sure... The first one is labelled as Capitan Chiquito and was made in 1876 as part of a Western Apache delegation (I have to point out to the misidentification of Diablo as part of the same delegation. The original caption of Diablo's photograph was "Pinal"). The second photograph doesn't have a name to the individual on it. It's said to be a Coyotero, attributed to A. F. Randall and was taken in 1886. It's labelled "Portrait of Chief in Native Dress with Blanket 1886". The third image is of Bailish, or Bylas, a Western Apache chief. His father (or uncle?) had the same name and was killed by Geronimo himself. The photograph is from the late 1870s or early 1880s. The fourth image shows Bailish again, this time as part of the 1888 Western Apache delegation that included many prominent chiefs. I always thought that Capitan Chiquito was already an old man in the mid-1870s when he appears in documents. The man on the first image looks a lot like Bailish, and he's certainly not an old man. info: in case you only see a red "x" where the image should be, just click on it and it will appear Attachments:
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Post by jeroen on Mar 17, 2011 14:38:47 GMT -5
Good point! Like you I have always thought that the first photo shows Captain Chiquito and he does look a lot like the scond one, who in turns resembles Bylas. If not actually one and the same man, they may well have been closely related, perhaps even brothers... I do doubt, however, that the second and the fourth photo show the same man...
Btw, I thought I read somewhere Bylas's father/uncle was killed by Victorio...
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Post by kayitah on Mar 17, 2011 15:53:10 GMT -5
Good point! Like you I have always thought that the first photo shows Captain Chiquito and he does look a lot like the scond one, who in turns resembles Bylas. If not actually one and the same man, they may well have been closely related, perhaps even brothers... I do doubt, however, that the second and the fourth photo show the same man... Btw, I thought I read somewhere Bylas's father/uncle was killed by Victorio...I think you're right, my bad...  |
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Post by jasper4 on Jan 6, 2012 1:16:37 GMT -5
Apache (Gaan) Crowndancers or simply not just anybody becomes a singer or dancer for one of the most sacred rites of the Apache. The Gaan spirits came to our Apache people during a great time of need and struggle. They didn't come to entertain us but rather to heal our Apache people.
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Post by jasper4 on Jan 6, 2012 1:18:59 GMT -5
Apache Bylas Documentary Film Preview
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Post by mystic3335 on Mar 23, 2014 17:43:11 GMT -5
Hello, The first image is of the great scout and MOH recipient Chiquito. I have a very very rare cabinet card of Chiquito and his wife I hope to post later this week.
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Post by mystic3335 on Apr 10, 2014 19:36:33 GMT -5
Hello, The first image is of Capitan Chiquito, lost two wives in the Camp Grant Massacre, the third image is I believe Chiquito MOH recipient for gallantry during the winter of 1872-1873, this is a different Chiquito from Capitan Chiquito. If you look up the drawing/painting of Chiquito( you can google images of him and the drawing will come up) it is the same individual in the photo from the hat, dots on shirt, tie/scarf and even the facial features. I may be wrong but it looks spot on. Would love to hear your thoughts. Thanks, Mike Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Attachments:
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Post by kayitah on Apr 11, 2014 7:15:50 GMT -5
This man - often identified as Capitan Chiquito - is actually chief Bailish/Bylas. The settlement of Bylas was named after him.
Bylas was chief of tag band CF (Coyotero band F). His band consisted mostly of Eastern White Mountain Apache. They settled on the Gila River, opposite Dewey Flats, later they moved up the river to opposite Navaho Bill Point and from there to today's Bylas. Eventually, government took the tag band chieftainship away from him and gave it to Coon-can.
Capitan Chiquito was a much older man than Bylas, and I know of only three photographs of him - there are many of Bylas, though. I'll dig them up and post them for you.
There was also a Dilzhe'e leader known to whites as Chiquito or Chiquito Jé, he was chief of tag band TG (Tonto band G).
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Post by mystic3335 on Apr 11, 2014 11:24:09 GMT -5
Have you ever seen an image of MOH recipient Chiquito? The well known drawing/painting of him from life( the one I have posted above) is the individual you are saying is Chief Bylas? Every research base I know of has that image listed as MOH Chiquito. He is in the famous cabinet card image of Alchesay and other Apache scouts. That image also features Elsatsoosh seated in the front row with rifle. Both Alchesay and Elsatsoosh received the MOH for gallantry during the winter campaign of 1872-1873. Chiquito also received the MOH in that campaign. If that view is of Chief Bylas, who is also in that cabinet card with Alchesay and his scouts, reason holds Bylas was a scout for Crook? The image is all Apache scouts, that is why the ID of Chiquito made sense to me. Either Bylas was a scout or the ID is Chiquito. I wish I could post the image but I am having trouble posting, but the image has appeared in different threads. It has Alchesay in the center ID surrounded by scouts.
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Post by mystic3335 on Apr 11, 2014 11:42:59 GMT -5
The cabinet card image sirismm.si.edu/naa/24/apache/02004500.jpgAlchesay at center Elsatsoosh seated with rifle. Next to Alchesay is your ID of Chief Bylas( which I believe might be MOH recipient Chiquito?) was Bylas a scout? This view is all Apache scouts under Alchesay. Thank You. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Post by mystic3335 on Apr 12, 2014 18:55:10 GMT -5
Does anyone know the ID's of the other scouts in the above image? Thank You.
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