Lipan Apache

[chicheman]

In addition to the recommended books mentioned in the previous postings, there is now a newly published one out :

I fought a good fight: A History of the Lipan - Apaches, by Sherry Robisnon, Univ. of North Texas ; June 2013

You will find search results in the net. That book also sounds very interesting.

chicheman

[chicheman]

Meanwhile I was receiving the book "I fought a good fight: A History of the Lipan Apaches" (Sherry Robinson)and am about to read it. Not done completely yet, but so far in my eyes it´s a really very good book from what I was reading already.
The author did a great job in her research and gathering of information, so we can learn a lot of the time and people.
She was speaking and working directly with Lipan descendants and others and using old documents and other written sources about the Lipans and neighbouring tribes as well as on non-Indians involved in historic times.
Interesting to learn about early Plains Nde groups in general and about the history of the Lipans, which is still an ongoing one,
since the Lipans are still here as the author shows, giving information on Lipan descendants of the 20th Century and today.
As was already the case of the same author with "Apache Voices" with me, also this book met my positive expectations.

chicheman

[marian2014]

looking for any photos or pictures of my great grandmother tersita a lipan princess

[grahamew]

Guess you've seen this:

www.texasescapes.com/LindaKirkpatrick/Teresita-Woman-of-the-Apache.htm

[Mike Henderson]

Feb 24, 2013 18:07:34 GMT -5 chicheman said:

Hello Walkingwoman,

thank you for the tipp on the three books.
Your recommendations of the tribe on informations are much appreciated. I´ll look out for it.

Greetings from Germany,

chicheman

. There are no formal State tribes in TX. The Lipan Apache Tribe of TX May claim this, but if you do your home work Tx has only federal tribe and again no state tribes. The Lipan Apache Tribe of TX has done a spin on paperwork they got, which doesn't make them a state tribe...as talked about both Lipan tribes are in the process of getting there federal recognition. The Lipan Apache tribe of Tx has already submit once and could not meet the seven requirements as outlined by the BIA.

[jasper4]

Aug 5, 2014 0:03:28 GMT -5 marian2014 said:

looking for any photos or pictures of my great grandmother tersita a lipan princess

item of note there are NO PRINCESS whom are apache

[jasper4]

In texas there are two groups the lipan band and the lipan tribe whom have had their own differences. the groups both which I have spoken to at length. The lipan are special in that many became mexican by way of formal law passed by president lamar of the republic of texas, due to he did not want a indian problem. thus the law made indios into mexican. Item of note pastor Robert Soto whom is member of the tribe faction did win a lenghty court battle to get back his eagle feathers. The decision has implications for state tribes and owning of eagle feathers for religious purposes. Both groups are good people yet both both have there gadflies or lost trying to be.

[chicheman]

Thanks Jasper and Mike Henderson for your additional informations. I just found out that there is serious Lipan Language revitalization in process and will post a link in the Language section.

[jasper4]

There are Lipan both at mescalero and in oklahoma whose kin are some of the texas Lipan.

[Fernando Reig]

Great information on Lipan people I am founding here, although three years late. Before coming across this page, I ordered the book " The Lipan Apache; people of wind and lightning" by Thomas Britten, ¿any comments on this book?. Definetly I will go on with the reading suggestions of Walkingwoman and also of Chicheman. ¿does anyone knows a more recent anthropologycal study of Lipan people?.
Grateful for any comment.

[galdan]

Friedrich Richard Petri

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[aj08]

need help finding info on Magoosh all i know is that he was a lipan apache

[virgilio]

Mar 31, 2024 3:19:08 GMT -5 aj08 said:

need help finding info on Magoosh all i know is that he was a lipan apache

Chief Magoosh was born into a band which traditionally inhabited the area around San Antonio, Texas. As a young boy, he witnessed the Battle of the Alamo. In 1850, however, a severe smallpox epidemic caused Magoosh’s band to flee the San Antonio area. One group went to Mexico and settled near Zaragosa, Coahuila. A second group led by Magoosh sought refuge with the Mescalero Apaches in New Mexico. When the Mescaleros were placed on a reservation in the 1870’s, Magoosh and his followers formed the core group of Lipan Apaches living on the Mescalero reservation. His descendants still live at Mescalero.

[aj08]

Thank you for the info i am a descendent of Magoosh and trying to learn more about him

[Shush]

Through research I have outlined important facts for my book and oral history. These are my notes.
The Family the Lipan Apache

The Lipan Apache are one of the forgotten Indian tribes of Texas and Northern Mexico. After 1870 were said to have been “scattered to the four winds.” Yet one of the largest and most aggressive of the Texas tribes. They would hold the lands of south-central Texas and northern Coahuila in fear and terror for two centuries. Deadly to Anglo and Hispanic inhabitants. Historians, scholars' hell even Texas historians do not give enough credit or recognition as to the impact, creation, and molding of the border in the Rio Grande region. I visited my local library, and it was very disappointing few books on the subject.

Only four such glimpses exist observations made by a Spanish priest father Diego Ximenez 1761-1764, a Spanish military commandant Juan Ugalde 1780-1788, a Swiss botanist Jean Louis Berlandier 1828, and an Anglo captive Frank Buckelew 1866 each provides startling and unanticipated insight into life and rituals beliefs and practices.

Scholars and researchers of the southwest Cowboy might be surprised and find it interesting that the vaqueros of northern Mexico and south, Texas whose techniques in handling cattle, wild horses, and lassoing that were adopted by the gringo after the Civil War in fact were taught by the Lipan Apache.

Caught between the Comanches to the north and the Spanish to the south Lipan sought alliance and protection from the Spanish missionaries in Texas and northern Mexico. Adept at playing the Spanish padres against Comanche’s. Leaving articles of Comanche Indian behind when they were raiding fooling the Spanish into believing the Comanches were responsible. They requested for the Spanish to establish missions seeking only the military protection by the presidio attached to such missions as well as the source of food and gifts provided by the missionaries.

By 1753 Texas Lipan faced continuous pressure from enemy tribes along the north and northeastern borders of their territory. Some Lipan bands occasionally sought protection by camping near the presidio and mission of San Xavier in northeast Texas. Fr. Francisco Aparicio reported in 1758 that a group of Tawakonis, Kichais, and Comanche approached the mission looking for Apache to finish off.