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Post by naiches2 on May 22, 2011 15:31:34 GMT -5
Lipan Apache chief and daughters Attachments:
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Post by bobby on May 22, 2011 17:18:40 GMT -5
 Does anyone have a higher resolution of this pic? This picture is of Kesetta Roosevelt and Jack Mather, Lipan Apache children (brother and sister) that were captured and sent to Carlisle Indian Industrial school. You can find out more about them in the book titled "White man's club: schools, race, and the struggle of Indian acculturation" SIRIS - number 06815100 Attachments:
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Post by nde on Jul 4, 2011 16:44:08 GMT -5
Does anyone have a higher resolution of this pic? This picture is of Kesetta Roosevelt and Jack Mather, Lipan Apache children (brother and sister) that were captured and sent to Carlisle Indian Industrial school. You can find out more about them in the book titled "White man's club: schools, race, and the struggle of Indian acculturation" SIRIS - number 06815100 Thanks  |
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Post by jeroen on Nov 24, 2011 9:30:19 GMT -5
I finally received a copy of the book "The Lipan Apaches; people of wind and lightning" by Thomas Britten. Haven't started reading it yet, but it looks promising... Anybody read it already?
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Post by jasper4 on Dec 9, 2011 11:50:51 GMT -5
Does anyone have a higher resolution of this pic? This picture is of Kesetta Roosevelt and Jack Mather, Lipan Apache children (brother and sister) that were captured and sent to Carlisle Indian Industrial school. You can find out more about them in the book titled "White man's club: schools, race, and the struggle of Indian acculturation" SIRIS - number 06815100 Check out on 'The Lost Ones' There two groups from Lipan one is the lipan band and the other is lipan tribe which is in tejas, dont know why the rift but know some of both groups. I am Mimbreno of the eastern band of Chi-hen-ne in Apache, meaning "red paint people," |
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Post by jeroen on Feb 9, 2012 6:37:15 GMT -5
Finally I got around reading the Thomas Britten book on the Lipan Apaches... as far as I can judge it, it is well written and well researched... the best I have read about the Lipan so far... It is mostly history, much of it on the interaction with the Spanish and other Indian nations, particularly the Comanche and Wichita and how and why the Lipan turned from a dominant power on the southern Plains to a few small, scattered groups of hunted people both in Texas and in Mexico. Britten also shows the Lipans did not disappear and descendants can be found in different locations today. He ends with attempts by several individuals to gain federeal recognition in the last ten years or so... All in all, a book well worth reading...
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Post by Dietmar on Feb 9, 2012 11:01:33 GMT -5
Thanks Jeroen, I just ordered the book.
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Post by chicheman on Nov 25, 2012 6:21:53 GMT -5
Good to hear that the Lipans did not disappear and that descendants are here today, even groups who are searching for tribal recognition. In past publications we could read only of about a handful of survivers, mostly among the Mescaleros, - and I guess some individuals among the Tonkawas and Kiowa-Apaches as well, descending from Lipans living with them.
Could you learn about the population of today in that book done by Thomas Britten ?
Elsewhere was learning that the Lipans where once part of the Jicarillas, separating some time around 1600 or so.
Greetings from Germany,
chicheman
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Post by jeroen on Nov 26, 2012 7:35:30 GMT -5
As far as I can tell, Britten estimates that there are about 1000 people who identify themselves as Lipan Apache. Efforts are being made to bring as many people together as possible to make a valid claim for formal recognition, but the book was published in 2009, so we have to look for more recent sources for more actual developments.
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Post by chicheman on Nov 26, 2012 17:23:56 GMT -5
Jeroen,
thank you for the information. I´ll order the book I think, sounds very interesting and a good source to learn about the Lipans. Let´s see how things will develop for these Apaches, I wish all the best to this people, for the future.
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Post by chicheman on Nov 26, 2012 18:00:13 GMT -5
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Post by walkingwoman on Feb 22, 2013 13:18:14 GMT -5
Jasper4, On the difference between the Lipan Apache Tribe and the Lipan Apache Band, the Lipan Apache Tribe is a State-Recognized Tribe whereas the Lipan Apache Band is not. Both are Lipan Apache groups based in Texas as you have stated. Members of one cannot be members of the other since both are in the process of seeking Federal Recognition. Dietmar and Chicheman, I am the Director of Eduction and webmaster for the Lipan Apache Tribe, www.lipanapache.org. These are the three books the Tribe recommends to people wishing to learn about the Lipan Apache: (1) The Light Gray People: An Ethno-History of the Lipan Apaches of Texas and Northern Mexico, Author: Nancy McGown Minor, ISBN-10: 0761848533; (2) Turning Adversity to Advantage: A History of the Lipan Apaches of Texas and Northern Mexico, 1700-1900, Author: Nancy McGown Minor, ISBN-10: 0761848584, and (3) Chevato: The Story of the Apache Warrior Who Captured Herman, Authors: W. Chebahtah & N.M. Minor, ISBN-10: 0803210973. |
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Post by chicheman on Feb 24, 2013 18:07:34 GMT -5
Hello Walkingwoman,
thank you for the tipp on the three books.
Your recommendations of the tribe on informations are much appreciated. I´ll look out for it.
Greetings from Germany,
chicheman
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Post by jasper4 on Feb 25, 2013 15:36:32 GMT -5
Jasper4, On the difference between the Lipan Apache Tribe and the Lipan Apache Band, the Lipan Apache Tribe is a State-Recognized Tribe whereas the Lipan Apache Band is not. Both are Lipan Apache groups based in Texas as you have stated. Members of one cannot be members of the other since both are in the process of seeking Federal Recognition. Dietmar and Chicheman, I am the Director of Eduction and webmaster for the Lipan Apache Tribe, www.lipanapache.org. These are the three books the Tribe recommends to people wishing to learn about the Lipan Apache: (1) The Light Gray People: An Ethno-History of the Lipan Apaches of Texas and Northern Mexico, Author: Nancy McGown Minor, ISBN-10: 0761848533; (2) Turning Adversity to Advantage: A History of the Lipan Apaches of Texas and Northern Mexico, 1700-1900, Author: Nancy McGown Minor, ISBN-10: 0761848584, and (3) Chevato: The Story of the Apache Warrior Who Captured Herman, Authors: W. Chebahtah & N.M. Minor, ISBN-10: 0803210973. Thank you for the info I have spoken with both groups. |
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Post by Dietmar on Feb 26, 2013 10:44:25 GMT -5
Welcome walkingwoman,
I have read "Chevato". I will get me the other two books soon.
Best wishes
Dietmar
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