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Post by jeroen on Jan 25, 2011 2:27:04 GMT -5
In Sweeney's book it is noted that Naiche's mother (Cochise's wife) Dos teh seh was brought over to Canyon de los Embudos too and participated in the talks with Naiche, Geronimo and the others in March 1886. And that she was living with her daughter Naithlotonz... (that would make her a full sister of Naiche)... But Dashdenzhoos is not mentioned... I know she went to Mescalero in 1913... but what happened to her?
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Post by perico on Jan 25, 2011 4:02:15 GMT -5
In Sweeney's book it is noted that Naiche's mother (Cochise's wife) Dos teh seh was brought over to Canyon de los Embudos too and participated in the talks with Naiche, Geronimo and the others in March 1886. And that she was living with her daughter Naithlotonz... (that would make her a full sister of Naiche)... But Dashdenzhoos is not mentioned... I know she went to Mescalero in 1913... but what happened to her? She married Tim Kaydahzinne. They had 7 children. |
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Post by jeroen on Jan 25, 2011 9:48:43 GMT -5
Thank you!
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Post by perico on Jan 25, 2011 16:24:26 GMT -5
No problem.
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Post by Second on Mar 13, 2011 13:50:16 GMT -5
Hello everyone, I just recvd an ISBN for my book and I have entered the last phase of publishing. My book is titled Second Jumper, searching for his bloodline. Written by Sigfried R. Second-Jumper.
It has taken me 5 yrs to write it. It starts out with the surrendering of the Chiricahuas and their journey to Florida as prisoners of war. While in Florida, my great grandparents were separated from the bulk of the Tribe and shipped to Cuba. An event witnessed by other prisoners, and recorded in their oral history and songs.
Also recorded and photographed by my family are my great grandparent’s arrival in Cuba, their struggles, sacrifices and accomplishments. Some of my great grandparent’s descendents began migrating to Florida, settling on the outskirts of the Florida Everglades. It was there that I discovered a Miccosukee Indian camp tucked deep in the swamps. Little did I know I was meeting the remnants of the only Unconquered Nation, The Florida Seminoles. In time I learned to master the art of breaking in horses, wrestling alligators, followed by 15 yrs of dancing and singing among them. These events were captured and will be shown with never before seen photographs.
Through their encouragement, I along with my family set out on a trip across country, in search of our long lost Apache relatives. A long journey that started in St. Augustine, FL, Oklahoma, Arizona, ended at the Mescalero Apache Reservation in NM. Upon arrival at Mescalero, I was welcomed and accepted by ex-prisoners of war, the Chiricahuas and ultimately my long lost relatives. Unaware of my past tribal history, I was inaugurated into the medicine circle as a singer for the Chiricahua Crown Dancers. It was there, that I have and continue to learn the traditional ways of the Chiricahuas. After many years of loosing members and traditions, we all decided to record and preserve our ways along with our daily activities for future generations. For the first time ever, the reader will enter into the sacred tepee of the Crown dancers and learned what takes place prior to ceremonies. All of it has been done with the consent of all members.
When the Seminoles learned that I was recording these stories, they asked me to include theirs as well. Some of these tales and photographs have been kept by members of both groups for decades as family treasures. I am honored to have been trusted to write them as they were told to me. All stories were reviewed by all participants prior to publishing to assure that they are told as they would want their great grandchildren to hear them.
Unlike many or most books written about these two groups, this one is done from within. As a result, the participants felt comfortable revealing stories long suppress by fear and mistrust. There is only half a page of references and over 300 pages of the real stories of the Tigers of the Human race, the Chiricahua Apaches and the Only Unconquered Nation, the Florida Seminoles.
I have dedicated my book to future Chiricahua and Seminole descendents but it really pertains to all humans as preserving their ancestral ways is just as important.
I will keep you all posted as soon as my book is available.
Sincerely,
Siggy Jumper
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Post by naiches2 on Apr 8, 2011 4:35:41 GMT -5
Good day, Mithlo and Penjady, Perhaps do you know who's this man? Tsedekizen? Attachments:
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Post by Mithlo on Apr 8, 2011 12:34:25 GMT -5
I don't know about Tsedekizen (Sundayman) "Waldo". I think "maybe"..........Too-is-gah (Albert)  ?? Not sure yet! Good day, Mithlo and Penjady, Perhaps do you know who's this man? Tsedekizen? |
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Post by kayitah on Apr 8, 2011 13:36:11 GMT -5
Thanks a lot, Bobby, for your help. I will gladly have a closer look at the sources you mentioned. Dorothy Bray's Western Apache - English Dictionary is a great piece of work to have if you want to learn more about the language and how it is used. I haven't consulted the other sources yet but will definetely do it!  Another big "thank you" to Mitlo and Enjady, who have shared so much interesting information with us.  Here's another image of a Chiricahua man by Reed & Wallace. I think it's Fun, but I'm not sure... Attachments:
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Post by Mithlo on Aug 15, 2012 15:34:53 GMT -5
Recently, I came across several old Reed and Wallace Cabinet Card "copies" in a New York University Photo Archives, all of which had their names written on the back, Geronimo, Nana, Chihuahua....ect..... On the back of this young woman's photo was written: MOON IN HER FACE and SON!!!! Do some of us know her by her N'de/Apache name ? Or possibly by her married/english name?? At the very least, "MOON IN HER FACE" is a good clue to her identity!!!! Idea's anyone? and also got this smaal Reed & Wallace image:  You have a source for this one or a high resolution version of this woman and child?[/quote] |
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Post by naiches2 on Aug 15, 2012 16:42:06 GMT -5
Sorry, but I haven't any another info, just "MOON IN HER FACE"...
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Post by naiches2 on Jun 4, 2013 0:26:15 GMT -5
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Post by Mithlo on Jun 4, 2013 8:05:59 GMT -5
Kaahteney's boy......Richard Kaahteney!
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Post by naiches2 on Jun 4, 2013 8:59:27 GMT -5
Kaahteney's boy......Richard Kaahteney! Respectfully disagree my friend. Photograph was taken in 1889 (!). Info from tombstone (RIP): RICHARD KA-AH-TE-NEY APACHE SON OF KA-AH-TE-NEY AND GUYAN 1889 - 1905 Info from 1900 United States Federal Census Record: Kaahteney Richard Son Indian (Native American) Male born 1889 age 10 born place Alabama |
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Post by Mithlo on Jun 4, 2013 9:31:58 GMT -5
Ahhhhhhh! "THEIR" dates and records no good! Can't be trusted! Believe what you wish......Respectfully!!!!
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Post by naiches2 on Jun 4, 2013 9:43:38 GMT -5
Ahhhhhhh! "THEIR" dates and records no good! Can't be trusted! Believe what you wish......Respectfully!!!! No problem! I wish and I believe! But you could you give any more arguments? In any case the boy is a son of Kaahteney  |
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