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Post by coeurrouge on Apr 27, 2022 15:12:24 GMT -5
Hello and welcome,
he was Nah-bay. Lozen was never with Geronimo in 1886. She was at Turkey Creek with Loco. Nah-bay was a Nedni.
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Post by naiches2 on Apr 28, 2022 2:58:58 GMT -5
I think the woman, who you name Nah-Bay, is Victorio's sister Lozen, isn't she? Greets It's a MAN |
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Post by naiches2 on Aug 25, 2022 3:07:43 GMT -5
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Post by grahamew on Nov 17, 2022 17:11:53 GMT -5
Posting all my Apache photos before I delete them, so bear with me if some are over-familiar, some are misidentified, some have no identification at all and that I'm doing this over several postings...  Zele  Zele and Tzes-ton  Yanozha, Florida, 1889  White Mountain scouts, 1873  Hosea at San Carlos  Eskiminzin  Casadora and his wives  Muster Day, San Carlos  Agent and chiefs  Camp Apache  Tonto Apaches or are they Yavapai?  Wheeler Expedition, 1873; photo by O'Sullivan  Buehman photo, late 1870s?  Randall photo, early 1880s  Scouts  Scouts  White Mountain Apaches; Markey photo  Mojave Jim  Mojave Jim  Sergeant Jim  Yavakishi - Buehman photo?  Coyotero warrior with Mexican 'captive'   Ignoto and wives?  Papori, Coyotero  10th Cavalry and scouts    Chago?      Chiricahua boy with dove    Nannasaddie applying paint, Randall photo, early 1880s  Chricahua   Jose First   Loco  Alchesay/Alchise  Nosey - Randall photo  Chato by Randall  Chato by Randall, early 1880s  Ignoto   Apache Lake, Sierra Blanca Range; cropped from one of O'Sullivan's Wheeler Expedition photos, 1873  Chago?   Scouts    Ahnandia and George Wratten  Naiche and family, Fort Sill  Bonito    Chino  Is the man at the right the cout, Glass?   Lupe, White Mountain  Gudezchah  Hesh-pi-die or Dandy Jim?        San Carlos, 1884 - not convinced they're Apache...  Apache police, San Carlos. Photo by Rothrock  Apaches in Phoenix - photo by Rothrock  Photo by Rothrock   John Mutton  Scouts at Camp Verde; Mickey Free at back, centre? More to follow... |
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Post by Californian on Nov 17, 2022 17:18:30 GMT -5
great collection Grahame, thanks for sharing
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Post by grahamew on Nov 18, 2022 5:31:37 GMT -5
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Post by coeurrouge on Nov 18, 2022 7:20:37 GMT -5
Posting all my Apache photos before I delete them, so bear with me if some are over-familiar, some are misidentified, some have no identification at all and that I'm doing this over several postings... Zele Zele and Tzes-ton Yanozha White Mountain scouts, 1873 Hosea at San Carlos Eskiminzin Casadora and his wives Muster Day, San Carlos Agent and chiefs Camp Apache Tonto Apaches or are they Yavapai? Scouts Scouts  Is the middle guy the Apache Kid? White Mountain Apaches Mojave Jim Mojave Jim Sergeant Jim? Yavakishi Coyotero warrior Papori, Coyotero 10th Cavalry and scouts One of them was maybe Thadotun, aka Big Charley, a newphew of Naiche. Chago? Chiricahua boy Chiricahua HunlonahJosé First (Chiricahua) Loco Alchesay/Alchise Nosey Chato Chato Ignoto  José Second and José First (Chiricahua) Apache Lake, Sierra Blanca Range Chago? Scouts  Ahnandia Naiche and family Bonito, not the Bénito (Yo-tah-ah) who had lived with the Chiricahuas Chino  Ignoto,Lupe White Mountain - though it doesn't look like the 'Ignoto' above Gudezchah Hesh-pi-die, Aka Spitty? The young "nephew" of Chihuahua who killed with stones Charly Mc Comas in 1883 ? San Carlos, 1884 Apache police, San Carlos. Photo by Rothrock Apaches in Phoenix - photo by Rothrock Photo by Rothrock John Mutton Scouts at Camp Verde More to follow... |
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Post by grahamew on Nov 18, 2022 15:25:20 GMT -5
 Mangas; Randall photo, early 1880s   Nalt'e and Gud-iz-zah, White Mountain; Randall photos   Yellow Coyote or Dutchy  Dandy Bill; Markey photo  Kaetenay, Warm Springs; Randall photo, early 1880s  Kaetenay, 1889  Chihuahua; Randall photo, early 1880s  ![]() Chihuahua; Randall photo early 1880s  Loco; Randall photo, early 1880s  Loco - as above  Loco, as above  Running/Roaming Coyote; Baker and Johnston, post-1885  Sergeant Jim  Coyotero  Miller photo      White Mountain Apache    Bylas  Naiche; Randall photo  Geronimo - as above  Geronimo's camp in Skeleton Canyon; photo by CS Fly, 1886  As above  As above  Crook's camp, as above         Yahnoza, Chappo, Fun, Geronimo  Perico, Geronimo, Naiche and...      Geronimo and Naiche's band meet General Crook, 1886  Apache scouts at Skeleton Canyon, 1886. All photos of Geronimo's band at Skeleton Canyon by Camillus S Fly. Tom Horn is allegedly the man in the white shirt amongst all the uniformed scouts over to the right    En route to Florida  Fort Bowie, 1886  Fort Bowie, 2 September, 1886  Fort Bowie, 1884? 1886?  Geronimo's band leaving Fort Bowie, 1886  I believe this is the hard work of someone on this board.  Scouts - Alchesay, front and centre  Mickey Free third from left at the front; Alchesay far right on the front   Baker and Johnston photo, post 1885  Chricahua medicine man  Mickey Free  At San Carlos, 1886    Emily Chihuahua and Eva Geronimo      Godigojo, Tonto Apache, circa 1875  Ha-teth-la, back left   Scout Glass and Apache wife; Andrew Miller photos  Bay-kath-lay, Florida, 1889  Nosey, 1886 - not the same 'Nosey' as posted above  Alchesay  Naiche, Fort Sill    Chiquito and wife, Pinal Apache        White Mountain man, 1876  Mickey Free and his two wives, Ethlay and Ocheheh  White Mountain Apaches, 1898  Before the Storm, by Ewdard S. Curtis  Sanchez - Buehman photo, early 1880s  Sanchez at right. ![]()  Reilly and his wife  Unknown, Haozinne (Naiche's third wife), Fun, Naiche and Nahbay, Fort Sam Houston, 1886  Fun, George Wratten and Perico, Fort Sam Houston, 1886  Ahnandia & George Wratten, Fort Sam Houstion, 1886    At San Carlos   Bread Maker, Little Squint Eye, Nazhinta   Na-buash-i-ta, White Mountain medicine man  John Clum and Apache police, late 1870s  San Carlos guardhouse, circa 1880  San Carlos  Tzoe or Peaches  Chiricahua prisoners at Fort Marion     Charley, Apache fiddle player |
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Post by grahamew on Nov 19, 2022 7:11:10 GMT -5
 Tonto Apache, 1880s  Prisoners from Victorio's band after Tres Castillos  Imprisoned women from Victorio's band after Tres Castillos  Naiche, early 1880s, by Wittick or Randall  Geronimo  Nana, 1881, by Wittick or Randall. Did they work together ot did Wittick just sell Randall's images  Chatto, 1884 - by Wittick or Randall  Tonto scout by Randall, 1886  Photo by Buehman, 1870s?  Uke-she, by Buehman, 1870s  Tony Lee by Markey  Tonto camp  Female Apache scout?  Chricahua woman - at Fort Sill, by Burdick  Photo by Elias A. Bonine .jpg) Scout  Scouts  White Mountain camp  White Mountain scouts, 1881  White Mountain  Three scouts - Tzoe in centre  Tzoe or Peaches  Scouts and schoolboy; photo by Willcox, 1884 - or by Randall in Willcox, Arizona, 1884  Scout, by Buehman  Dandy Jim - Hesh-pi-die?  Dandy Jim?  Dandy Jim - the three images above would seem to be by Buehman, the future mayor of Tucson. I'm not 100% convinced this is the same man as in the photo above  Dandy Jim and Mucheco  Pan-e-e - another Buehman  Alchesay and Petone or Ulcenny?  White Mountain  Toggy Snoggy, White Mountain  Chasi-ta, son of Bonito  Scout  Tonto women  Tsis-nah  Tah-Dos-Ti or Tah-Don-Ti   San Carlos guardhouse, 1888  San Carlos scout by Randall, 1886  Sanchez by Buehman  San Carlos Apaches, 1898  Hosea = Joshua 20 or so years later in the image above?  The Apache Kid   Massai, Rowdy, Apache Kid OR Slim Jim, Unknown and Apache Kid.  Rowdy, Apache Kid, Massai - Fly photo, taken during the pursuit of Geronimo, 1886 Massai (also identified as Slim Jim), Apache Kid, Rowdy. Taken by Fly during the pursuit of Geronimo, 1886   Is the Kid second from left in the back row? Presumably this was taken before the following photo - hence the shorter hair of some of the participants. 1889  Apache Kid's companions, 1889. I don't think the Kid is in the photo...  Prisoners in 1889. The Kid is supposedly the man in the back rown with the neckerchief (#2)  Taken in 1889, not 1882. Prisoners about to be sent to Yuma Jail - though they escaped en route. This image of the Kid looks more obviously like this one...   A better version of the group photo with the men named  Apache Kid's wife (immediate left of the man), sisters and family as prisoners, October 1890  Three women abducted by Apache Kid Apologies for the occasional repetition. More to follow... |
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Post by grahamew on Nov 20, 2022 6:52:35 GMT -5
 The handwritten inscription that was on the original mount seems to say Apache Prince but I've seen it read as Praise. Randall photo, 1884...  Apache boy; Randall photo, 1884  Passalah, Pinal Apache  Riley/Reilly/Reilley and family  Saygully, Pinal Apache  # White Mountain Apaches; Randall photo, 1885  Fort Pickens?  Perico and family?  Perico and Naiche  Labelled 'Apacha Chief', the image would appear to show Mojave or Yuma or...?  Eskiminzin  Petzozin or Frijole, a member of Nana's band  Pedro and members of his Coyotero band, possibly taken on the Wheeler Expedition  Pedro   O'Sullivan photo, 1873  Coyotero guides, Wheeler Expedition/O'Sullivan photo, 1873  Scouts   Noche/Notshi, Chiricahua  Neschilla, Fort Bowie, 1886  Nannasaddie applying paint, Randall photo, early 1880s  Molly, Florida, 1889  Nana  Nalthe; also known as David Longstreet  Nal-tzuc-ei-oh  Best I can make this out: Nah-Shute standing at left; Navajo Bill, sitting at right...  Jose First  Jose First; Randall, early 1880s  Jose Second and Jose First; Randall photo  Apaches in Globe Arizona, 1899 for some kimnd of Wild West Show; judging by the flags, probably a 4 July celebration. The man at the right would appear to be Alchesay:   Petone and scouts  Petone's band as scouts  Coyotero labourers at San Carlos; photo by Randall More to follow |
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Post by grahamew on Nov 20, 2022 13:29:03 GMT -5
 Coyoteros near Camp Apache. O'Sullivan/Wheeler Expedition photo, 1873  Pedro, a Coyotero leader; Wheeler Expedition photo, 1873   Coyoteros near Camp Apache. O'Sullivan/Wheeler Expedition photo, 1873.  Pedro and his Coyoteros and their agent, Wheeler Expedition, 1873  Coyotero guides/scouts. Apache Lake, Sierra Blanca Mountains, 1873, as above.  As above  As above  Apache woman and baby; O'Sullivan photo from the Wheeler Expedition, 1873  Apache woman and child - see above  Apache man and woman - as above  Posted above, here's a closer look at JC Burge's photo of a group of scouts with a man who doesn't seem to look anything like Al Sieber, 1870s  Apache scouts  Apache scouts, 1906: Naiche, Hugh, Goody, Sam, John Loco, Capt. Seyers, Kelburn, Perico, Asa Deklugie, Jasen  San Carlos woman; Randall photo  Apache bride; Randall photo  Young San Carlos woman - Chappo's (Chappa's?) wife; Randall photo  Mother and baby; Randall photo  Mojave Apache; Randall photo    Apache children arrive at Carlisle from Fort Marion, 4 November, 1886  Apache children arriving at Carlisle, 1880s  The Apache Kid  Girl with basket  Wickiup, 1880  Wickiup frame  Ramon's (?) camp - Geronimo's medicine man; Randall photo  White Mountain camp; Randall photo  Scout camp at San Carlos; Randall photo  Sweat lodge at San Carlos; Randall photo  Henry Wilson; Rinehart photo, 1898  Assuz, Sac Carlos Apache; Rinehart photo, 1898   Hattie Tom, Chrichahua; Rinehart photo, 1899  Josh, San Carlos Apache; Rinehart, 1898  Brushing Against and Little Squint Eyes, San carlos Apaches; Rinehart, 1898  Naiche, Chiricahua; Rinehart, 1898  Henry Wilson and wife, Mojave Apache; Rinehart, 1898    Geronimo; Rinehart, 1898  Bony Yela and Hattie Tom; Rinehart, 1898  Ration day at San Carlos; Randall photo  Apache labourers at San Carlos; Rinehart photo  Bonito and Dutchy; Randall photo  Scouts; mid-80s. Mickey Free second from right  Scouts, including Irish (in corporal's jacket), Tom Horn (or Archie Mackintosh or Frank Coe...) and, at right in the back row, Mickey Free. Rowdy is in friont of Mickey Free  Chatto and scouts, including Cooney and Mickey Free. Personally, I don't see Mr Free here...  Mickey Free, a little later in life  Goodygohya, an Apache warchief; photo by Markey  Marianetta, Fort Bowie, 1886  Mangas (in Florida)  Scout  Apache with Evans rifle. Mojave? Yuma?  Apache scouts. Again, Mojave, Yavapai or Yuma? Elias Bonine photo  San Carlos, 1884. Navajo?  Pelon and Camino, two of the three Apaches who tracked down the outlaws Evans and Sontag in California in 1893 More to follow |
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Post by grahamew on Nov 21, 2022 4:43:00 GMT -5
 Antonio and his family, Tonto Apache  Apache scout house, San Carlos, 1893  Cochise's granddaughter  Lupe, White Mountain  Alchesay (centre)  John Clum and Apaches - Mojave? Yavapai? Yuma?  Hos-cal-te  Lining up for rations at San Carlos, 1899; photo by KT Dodge  Tonto couple (Randall photo)  Got-chai-eh, Warm Springs Apache (Randall)  Gouyen, Kaetenae and their child; Randall photo  San Carlos, 1893; photo by Erwin Baer  Scouts   2nd Lt. W. Weigel and Co. of Apache Indian Scouts 1894  Petone, second from left at the back?  San Carlos school, 1891  Chihuahua (Randall)  San Carlos man (Randall photo). Coley?  Coyotero women from Sancho's band (Randall)  San Carlos couple (Randall)  Wickiups, 1880 (CS Fly)  Scouts  Scouts with Al Sieber (in front?); that's possibly Curiosity Mac (J. D. McAuliffe) - the owner of McAuliffe's Free Museum and Old Curiosity Shop at the Depot in Tucson from 1883 to 1886 - at the back. This would make the identification of Sieber with that group of scouts in one of the above posts somewhat unlikely as it seems to show a balding, younger, slightly chubbier man - spmeone like the man identifed as McAuliffe, in fact...  Group of Apache Indian Scouts at San Carlos, Arizona, Commanded by Lieut. Weigel, 1890 & 1894   Alchesay and other scouts (Bylas sitting next to him?); photo by Andrew Miller of Silver City, New Mexico  Delivering hay at Fort Apache, 1893   Exiles at Fort Pickens in Florida, 1886 - Nana centre of the middle row  White Mountain group, 1896  Apache and/or Yuma scouts at Camp verde, circa 1880. Al Sieber is the white man to the right (but which one?). Photo by W.H. Williscraft  Fort Apache Scouts and Soldiers (circa 1885-1886; Buehman) Petone on horse at the back in uniform and hat? Natanje at tight, kneeling? Captain Emmett Crawford is in the front, wearing the sombrero  Scouts trailing the Apache Kid  Coley, San Carlos (Randall photo) More to follow... |
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Post by grahamew on Nov 21, 2022 8:09:49 GMT -5
 Skin-Tin-Day, San Carlos medicine man  Tonto warrior (Randall)  Mangas (Randall)  Buehman  Ka-e-te-nay (Randall)  Geronimo, circa 1884 (Randall)  Naiche (Randall)  Cochise's wife (Randall)  Daniel Markey photo, 1887   Scout camp at Fort Huachuca - and closer view  Dolatassa  Randall photo  Probably a Bonine photo; 1890s  John Clum at San Carlos; Flanders photo  Ha-teth-la, back left; Coyotero Apaches (Buehman photo)  Geronimo at Fort Sill  Scouts  Scout with members of the 2nd Cavalry   White Mountain women    Das-Luca, Skro-Kit and...?   Chatto in Florida  White Mountain scout  Charles Gatewood with scouts; Alchesay to his right  John Clum and Apache police  Captain Crawford's orderly; Randall photo More to follow... |
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Post by grahamew on Nov 21, 2022 14:38:31 GMT -5
Variant on the image in the post above (Randall)    Rothrock photo  Playing 'chees'  Seated: Cut Mouth Moses; standing: Rowdy  Dutchy, Crook, Alchesay  Esh-kin-tsay-giza (Mike) White Mountain Apache from Al-che-say's band - Baker and Johnston photo, 1885 or later  Counetza (Bommer), Chihuahua's band, 1885. Baker and Johnston photo. The pelt is likely the same studio prop seen in the photo above  JC Burge photo of Apaches at San Carlos, 1883. This appears to be the man identified as Al Sieber in the Burge photos posted above  Tonse (Crawler); Chiricahua; Baker and Johnston, 1885  Apache camp at San Carlos; marked 'Wittick' so probably by Randall, 1884/5  Toos-Day-Zay/Dos-teh-seh - wife of Cochise and mother of Naiche; Baker and Johnston, 1885  Ta-ayz-slath, Baker and Johnston, 1885  Na-din-praquai-gizay; Baker and Johnston photo  Buehman photo  Marlanetta - sometimes identified as one of Geronimo's wives, though her name isn't on the list of usual suspects  Geronimo  Pedro, one of the Coyotero leaders; Wheeler Expedition photo by O'Sullivan. 1883  Fort Apache. Would that be Pedro at the back, in the hat?  Apache scouts at Camp Verde, 1874? 1877?; Dudley Flanders photo. Probably Yavapai, however  Pack Train at San Carlos (Flanders)  Tonto camp (Randall)  Gazie (Twisted), Chiricahua's Wife, with her children, circa 1881  Playing cards. Again, likely Yavapai, Mojave, Yuma?  Francisca, Mexican captive  Eskiminzin by Markey More to follow... |
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Post by grahamew on Nov 22, 2022 7:04:37 GMT -5
 Different view of San Carlos guardhouse by Markey, 1888  Gouyen, Kae-ten-nae and their children   Apache prisoners; Baker and Johnston, 1885?   Naiche and Geronimo at Fort Bowie, 1886 - after Geronimo has traded his boots in   Markey photo  Chihuahua and family, Fort Sill  Markey photo   At Carlisle  Scouts   Scout; Buehman photo  Members of Geronimo's band at Fort Sam Houston, 1886  Fort Sam Houston?  Perico and family, Florida  Baker and Johnston photo  Three brother; Miller photo  Apache boys; Miller photo, circa 1886   Father and son  John Dazen and Alchesay  Labelled 'Frank Yuma and Family Apache.' Perhaps they are Yuma  Loco  Ke-nai-didl  Dutchy  Geronimo at Anadarko, 1903 (Quanah Parker at left)  Prisoners in Florida, 1886 - Geronimo second from right in front  Drawing of Juh by Mrs Mary PG Devereux, Fort Thomas, January 1881  This looks like another Burge photo of scouts with the man who isn't Al Sieber  Apache prisoners; Baker and Johnston, 1885?  Andrew Miller photos, circa 1886   Ha-teth-la; Buehman photo  Bylas  Eskayelah, Coyotero  Flanders photo  Scout; Buehman and Hartwell photo  Alchesay  Apache company at Mount Vernon  Chago?   The man at the right in the photo above  Geronimo's camp with captive boy Santiago McKuinn; Fly photo, 1886  Ke-lilq-kau. Photo by Hillers  Coyotero scouts  Chiquito  Haschugee    1899  Scouts in Dragoon Mountains  Bonito  Sgt Jim, Bonito and Glass, the scout  Bonito      Diablo, 1879?   Randall photo; early 1880s  Cibicue prisoners   Dick, San Carlos scout  Chah, Warm Springs  Dilzhe-e, Tonto Apache  At the Gila River  Fel-ay-tay  Scouts  Possibly at Fort Pickens, Florida  Eskiuiljeh, scout; circa 1880  Fort Apache, 1880s  Rothrock photo  Handsome Charlie and family; Buehman photo  Gon-ah-lay or Gonshayee and family, 1888  Chilchuana and family of Dilzhe's Tontos; KT Dodge, 1899  Gil-lee and Tsis-tohn  Frijole/Ptezozin  Nantaje, who led Crook to Skull Cave   Mickey Free  Loco  Jack Swilling, the Arizona Desperado with an Apache boy  Chatto, 1886; Hillers photo  Nana, Chihuahua and others on ferry, St Augustine, 1886  Chihuahua, Florida  Coonie, Florida  Loco, Florida  Geronimo??  Jose, Charley, Chino, Zeele, Toclanney, Goyathlay (Geronimo), Gokliz, Naiche, Noche, Chihuahua, Fun, Loco, Nana Still a few more to come... |
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