Old Photos - Apache

[naiches2]

Feb 4, 2019 15:38:14 GMT -5 grahamew said:

[These last two purport to show Buck Taylor, a Buffalo Bill Wild West Show veteran, with an Apache group. I think there's a related photo further up the thread]

I think this is the same Apache group as in your photos.

[naiches2]

Feb 4, 2019 14:20:41 GMT -5 hope2helpu said:

Hi Naiche...glad you like the photo! Very handsome man! That photo was taken by George A. Brown. Hmmmmmmm well makes ya wonder about the jacket he is wearing. Could it be a son??? I can give you the information on Jesse's collection. As I said I am a novice who just happened to have a Gr-granddad as a collector of pictures.

I'm sorry, but I do not understand you. Whose son would you like to say?
Naiche about 1893 at Mount Vernon

[hope2helpu]

Naiches.....I was up super late looking at all the pictures.....I think I wrote down what I was thinking....perhaps over excited! I was only going by what the Arizona Historical Society had concluded in the collection. Been learning so much here as well.....so while I was looking around I was checking out one of your posts from Feb 21, 2011 about Apache Scouts...I wrote down stuff but looking at the notes I was a frantic writer...So if I remember there was a picture and somebody wrote " That guy on the right I have seen him before....then another person wrote back "That man was known as "San Carlos Dude" or just "Dude" The picture had one Cavalry man at the far right next to "Dude" I have a picture of Jesse's Cavalry troop and pretty sure that his name is Corporal Wagner at Fort Apache 1892....I will only post the " Cavalry pic if it doesn't offend anybody. One more thing about offending anybody......The photo of Geronimo being taken by train w Naiche where everybody is sitting in front of the train on the slope.....Jesse wrote the names of the men in the same bottom row...would I be stepping out of line?? I am just helping I hope to maybe put names and dates to some fine folks who maybe would like to know.....

P.S.*Oh I found it! The "San Carlos" photo. It was under Western Apache then I went to "Scouts" then page 2.

[naiches2]

Feb 5, 2019 7:32:02 GMT -5 hope2helpu said:

Naiches.....The photo of Geronimo being taken by train w Naiche where everybody is sitting in front of the train on the slope.....Jesse wrote the names of the men in the same bottom row...would I be stepping out of line?? I am just helping I hope to maybe put names and dates to some fine folks who maybe would like to know.....

Train Photo with IDs

[hope2helpu]

naiches...yes, yes that is the photo! Well wow Jesse knew two of the men by different names. But he did write out Peaches full name but used names and circles on their legs. Ok so this is a page from one Jesse's scrapbooks. It is from a very old National Geographic magazine. Jesse writes at the top of the page Chicken Hawk (is he Fun/Fatty?) , Peaches, Nachee, Geronimo, Skippy Joe (Chappo?) and at the end on the right side Jesse wrote: "see the little guns we use."

Along the left side he writes: "Rings are the Indians was with us when we arrested Bill Voice (Bill Voris) and Frank Ketcher (Frank Ketcherside) he shot a Chief" (at Cibecue Creek), 1895. Bill Voris was the shooter. Jesse, Peaches and Chicken Hawk and about 20 other men led by Lt. Fenton found Bill and Frank hiding in a cabin and arrested them. Again this is all according to Jesse's diary.....thank you so much I have learned so much reading comments and checking pictures out!!!!

After the arrest on the way back to Ft. Apache from Cibecue Creek they all went around by Globe to San Carlos (stopped there for a few days) the "over the summit" to Ft. Apache. Is there a summit??? I'd sure like to know, and is it known by a name?

[grahamew]

I know I'm out of my depth here and I run the risk of posting pictures that you already have here, but here's a few more that I have lying around on my PC:

First off, one of several Photoshopped images of Apaches doing the rounds. Pretty sure I fell for one of these and posted it in the Photographs section of this board:


The original:






Myeta and Hannah Eskiminzin at Mt Vernon Barracks







Two Yuma women - by Markey


More Photoshop:





Nosey, San Carlos scout

More Photoshop - and this isn't even an Apache:







John Mutton, Apache scout


Also supposed to be John Mutton, but he doesn't look like the man above

And another Photoshop job:

[naiches2]

Original from SIRIS

[naiches2]

Original again

[grahamew]

Ohh, I wasn't suggesting they were all Photoshopped - only two of the 'Nosey' photos, the Apache 'prince' (if that's what it says), the guy at the top of my post and Gun Pony. I have seen others, though. They're quite well done but the part that's been replaced doesn't quite match up with the original. Here's another:





And another rather cheeky one you may recognise:



These have been doctored too, haven't they?

[fkanesewah]

How do you see the pics?

[jasper4]

Well interesting photos or used them as tool to give my great grandkids a learning experience or the photoshopped ones are obvious

[juan]

Just a comment why do your links to pictures go to web site where it looks like all Russian

[coeurrouge]

Jul 5, 2021 14:46:44 GMT -5 juan said:

Just a comment why do your links to pictures go to web site where it looks like all Russian

Hello, because Naiche2 is Russian as I am French;

au revoir.

[juan]

😂😂😂😂😂

[shingas235]

Feb 5, 2019 10:38:05 GMT -5 naiches2 said:

Feb 5, 2019 7:32:02 GMT -5 hope2helpu said:

Naiches.....The photo of Geronimo being taken by train w Naiche where everybody is sitting in front of the train on the slope.....Jesse wrote the names of the men in the same bottom row...would I be stepping out of line?? I am just helping I hope to maybe put names and dates to some fine folks who maybe would like to know.....

Train Photo with IDs
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I think the woman, who you name Nah-Bay, is Victorio's sister Lozen, isn't she?
Greets