Post by coeurrouge on Nov 6, 2010 6:07:57 GMT -5
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I am maybe wrong but I am deeply convince that El Cautivo and Geronimo were the same man.
In Cochise's Book, Sweeney closed immediatly the idea of Lnt Sladen that Geronimo and El Cautivo were the same. I explain why I think Sladen is right:
*The two leaders were both Bedonkohes, speaking spanish, seems th have the same body and had the same behavior of inveterate raiders.
*Both became leaders of Bedonkohe local group on the 1850'.
*El Cautivo was very closed of Mangas Coloradas and Cochise. Geronimo always said that he was closed of this main Chiricahuas Chiefs.
*On Angie Debo's Geronimo, the shaman said that one time his rancheria was attacked by Mexican Troops, when lot of warriors were absent, and his wife,Nana-Tha-Thtith was killed with her chid and with others women and children. 4 prisonners were taken.On Mangas'book, Sweeney wrote that on december, 13th, 1858, Escalante attacked, on the Otates Monts, a rancheria certainly of El Cautivo, killed 18 people, most of them were women and children and took 4 prisonners.
*Geronimo said that just after the death of Mangas Coloradas, he became the Bedonkohe Band Chief. The most powerful known leaders of the Bedonkohe at this time were Luis (an obscur son of Mangas, killed on 1864) and El Cautivo.
* When Cochise met Howard, El Cautivo was presented as a warlike Cochise's captain. In Geronimo legend, it is said that Geronimo was the leader of the young and warlike warriors of Cochise.
* When El Cautivo disappeared from Cochise's Book , Geronimo appeared and officials reports. (Like Fuerte and Mangas Coloradas).
Sweeney wrote (of the Sladen's idea) that it wasn't possible because El Cautivo means The Prisonner and Geronimo never said he was caught before 1877. But, Sweeney was the first to discover that Cochise was a prisonner during 6 weeks at Fronteras, on 1848.
It is why I believe on my idea that El Cautivo and Geronimo were the same man.
I am very interresting of your opinions. (sorry for my english, it is not my maternal language)
I am maybe wrong but I am deeply convince that El Cautivo and Geronimo were the same man.
In Cochise's Book, Sweeney closed immediatly the idea of Lnt Sladen that Geronimo and El Cautivo were the same. I explain why I think Sladen is right:
*The two leaders were both Bedonkohes, speaking spanish, seems th have the same body and had the same behavior of inveterate raiders.
*Both became leaders of Bedonkohe local group on the 1850'.
*El Cautivo was very closed of Mangas Coloradas and Cochise. Geronimo always said that he was closed of this main Chiricahuas Chiefs.
*On Angie Debo's Geronimo, the shaman said that one time his rancheria was attacked by Mexican Troops, when lot of warriors were absent, and his wife,Nana-Tha-Thtith was killed with her chid and with others women and children. 4 prisonners were taken.On Mangas'book, Sweeney wrote that on december, 13th, 1858, Escalante attacked, on the Otates Monts, a rancheria certainly of El Cautivo, killed 18 people, most of them were women and children and took 4 prisonners.
*Geronimo said that just after the death of Mangas Coloradas, he became the Bedonkohe Band Chief. The most powerful known leaders of the Bedonkohe at this time were Luis (an obscur son of Mangas, killed on 1864) and El Cautivo.
* When Cochise met Howard, El Cautivo was presented as a warlike Cochise's captain. In Geronimo legend, it is said that Geronimo was the leader of the young and warlike warriors of Cochise.
* When El Cautivo disappeared from Cochise's Book , Geronimo appeared and officials reports. (Like Fuerte and Mangas Coloradas).
Sweeney wrote (of the Sladen's idea) that it wasn't possible because El Cautivo means The Prisonner and Geronimo never said he was caught before 1877. But, Sweeney was the first to discover that Cochise was a prisonner during 6 weeks at Fronteras, on 1848.
It is why I believe on my idea that El Cautivo and Geronimo were the same man.
I am very interresting of your opinions. (sorry for my english, it is not my maternal language)
