Obviously, we can't be sure, but I think the info that these two women were captured at Southfork (plus the fact that picture was taken in 1885), and that they are known as "Geronimo's wives" are pretty convincing for assuming the lady at left is likely She ga. As far as I know, nobody else was ever captured at a place called Southfork, only two women from Geronimo's small band in May 1885, including She ga. Sweeney states Geronimo freed his wife, as well as the other woman captured in New Mexico. Furthermore, we have no other image of She ga for comparison. I agree the lady in the Fort Houston image closely resembles Yanozha, but so does Ta ayz slath... my point is, she could well be another sister or relative (one of the lesser known women in the Naiche/Geronimo band perhaps). Also, She ga was estimated to be at least 35 years old in 1886... in my opinion, the woman in the Fort Houston image looks younger, while the age is about right for the woman at left in the duo portrait...
Yes, the Nez Perce book is well researched and well written, it gives a good insight in the terrible situation of the Nez Perce following their surrender and subsequent exile in Kansas and Oklahoma. Meanwhile I found this remarkable image, said to show a number of surviving Apache women and children taken prisoner after the massacre of Victorio and his people at Tres Castillios in 1880. They were taken into slavery in Mexico and few, if any, ever returned...
I get so angry and sad viewing this photo. I can't get over how beautiful the Apache children were.
Recently in my studies, I discovered that this girl Na-din-praquai-gizay is "not" in neither of the two group photographs of the Chiricahua women and children captives at Fort Bowie in 1886! I have for years "racked my brain" trying to figure out which one of the three "girls" in the group photo's was Ramona Chihuahua!!! None of them truely looks like her in the group photo's! Yet, this girl , Na-din-praquai-gizay very, VERY, closely resemble's Ramona!!!! Not saying for sure it is her, just thinking! I'm curious what others may think about this!!!! Is Na-din-praquai-gizay possibly Ramona??.........Or.......is Na-din-praquai-gizay probably "NOT" Ramona?
lozen is not in the train image. the woman identified as lozen is actually biyaneta, the wife of perico. lozen also wasn't with geronimo's group when it surrendered, she probably went to florida with loco's group.
unfortunately, i don't know of any photograph of lozen. sorry.
Does anyone here know of a good photo of Lozen, other than in the train photo? Also, can anyone shed some light on when, where, and under what circumstances she died? Thanks.
From Sweeney, p 660: "In National Archives, Register of Indian Prisoners at Mount Vernon, there appears a note dated June 17, 1889 "female Lozen died"". That's ALL info from Goverment sourcers about Lozen. Nice story about Lozen look at Boyer and Gayton "Apache Mothers and Daughters", p.54-55
Last Edit: Jul 18, 2011 15:46:38 GMT -5 by naiches2