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Post by jeroen on Jun 17, 2011 9:07:40 GMT -5
Obviously, we can't be sure, but I think the info that these two women were captured at Southfork (plus the fact that picture was taken in 1885), and that they are known as "Geronimo's wives" are pretty convincing for assuming the lady at left is likely She ga. As far as I know, nobody else was ever captured at a place called Southfork, only two women from Geronimo's small band in May 1885, including She ga. Sweeney states Geronimo freed his wife, as well as the other woman captured in New Mexico. Furthermore, we have no other image of She ga for comparison. I agree the lady in the Fort Houston image closely resembles Yanozha, but so does Ta ayz slath... my point is, she could well be another sister or relative (one of the lesser known women in the Naiche/Geronimo band perhaps). Also, She ga was estimated to be at least 35 years old in 1886... in my opinion, the woman in the Fort Houston image looks younger, while the age is about right for the woman at left in the duo portrait...
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Post by jeroen on Jun 29, 2011 7:26:27 GMT -5
Fort Sill, 1898 (?):
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Post by dianec on Jun 29, 2011 15:29:26 GMT -5
Yes, the Nez Perce book is well researched and well written, it gives a good insight in the terrible situation of the Nez Perce following their surrender and subsequent exile in Kansas and Oklahoma. Meanwhile I found this remarkable image, said to show a number of surviving Apache women and children taken prisoner after the massacre of Victorio and his people at Tres Castillios in 1880. They were taken into slavery in Mexico and few, if any, ever returned... I get so angry and sad viewing this photo. I can't get over how beautiful the Apache children were.
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Post by sasja on Jul 3, 2011 12:54:49 GMT -5
Please does anyone know who these young girls are? It was taken at Fort Sill. The girls are wearing puberty dressses and they are posing in front of the Dutch reformed church. Attachments:
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Post by Mithlo on Jul 3, 2011 23:00:52 GMT -5
Identified here at Fort Sill as left to right: Dorothy Nahwats (Comanche) and Isabel Perico.
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Post by Mithlo on Jul 14, 2011 15:18:48 GMT -5
Recently in my studies, I discovered that this girl Na-din-praquai-gizay is "not" in neither of the two group photographs of the Chiricahua women and children captives at Fort Bowie in 1886! I have for years "racked my brain" trying to figure out which one of the three "girls" in the group photo's was Ramona Chihuahua!!! None of them truely looks like her in the group photo's! Yet, this girl , Na-din-praquai-gizay very, VERY, closely resemble's Ramona!!!! Not saying for sure it is her, just thinking! I'm curious what others may think about this!!!! Is Na-din-praquai-gizay possibly Ramona? ?.........Or.......is Na-din-praquai-gizay probably "NOT" Ramona? Does anybody have info about this girl, Na-din-praquai-gizay?
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Post by naiches2 on Jul 14, 2011 15:29:50 GMT -5
This is a very interesting version. In other images Ramona is not smiling and very sad - so it's hard to say that if this girl or not.
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Post by jeroen on Jul 15, 2011 2:41:20 GMT -5
Hard to tell... I always thought that this image was taken at Fort Bowie as one of the captives there; she is sitting in front of some kind of animal skin also seen in the portrait of Counteza...
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Post by jeroen on Jul 15, 2011 2:56:35 GMT -5
Anybody knows who this lady is? The picture was probably taken at Fort Sill on the same occasion as the one of Dorothy Naiche...
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Post by Mithlo on Jul 15, 2011 9:50:14 GMT -5
She is Elsie Vance Chestuen!
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Post by jeroen on Jul 15, 2011 11:37:54 GMT -5
Thanks Mithlo!
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Post by brody on Jul 18, 2011 0:24:25 GMT -5
Does anyone here know of a good photo of Lozen, other than in the train photo? Also, can anyone shed some light on when, where, and under what circumstances she died? Thanks.
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Post by kayitah on Jul 18, 2011 3:43:53 GMT -5
hi brody, welcome the these boards! lozen is not in the train image. the woman identified as lozen is actually biyaneta, the wife of perico. lozen also wasn't with geronimo's group when it surrendered, she probably went to florida with loco's group. unfortunately, i don't know of any photograph of lozen. sorry.
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Post by naiches2 on Jul 18, 2011 15:44:45 GMT -5
Does anyone here know of a good photo of Lozen, other than in the train photo? Also, can anyone shed some light on when, where, and under what circumstances she died? Thanks. From Sweeney, p 660: "In National Archives, Register of Indian Prisoners at Mount Vernon, there appears a note dated June 17, 1889 "female Lozen died"". That's ALL info from Goverment sourcers about Lozen. Nice story about Lozen look at Boyer and Gayton "Apache Mothers and Daughters", p.54-55
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Post by jeroen on Jul 25, 2011 3:06:54 GMT -5
It is said that Lozen died from tuberculosis... This picture is titled "Mescalero girls" but an additional caption states these girls are children from Geronimo's people, so they may well be actually Chiricahuas... Likewise, these women from Mescalero:
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