Dandy Jim, Dead Shot, and Skippy

[kayitah]

Does anyone have any further info or photographs of these three men? As far as I know, Dandy Jim was a man in high regard - among his fellow scouts, as well as among the soldiers and officers. The day before the hanging, he presented a woman with his necklace...

Following the battle of Cibecue, the three White Mountain scouts—Dead Shot, Dandy Jim and Skitashe—were court martialed and hanged here for their part in that fateful affair. They were hanged from a specially constructed gallows on the parade ground of this post on March 3, 1882.
A battalion, including two companies of Indian Scouts, along with Troops A, B and I, 6th U.S. Cavalry, and Company E, 12th U.S. Infantry, provided dismounted security for the event. The day before the hanging, as scores of civilians from the surrounding countryside began to arrive, Dandy Jim called to Mrs. Gilbert C. Smith, wife of Captain Smith, the post quartermaster. Seeing him through a window of the post guardhouse, he presented her with a colorful necklace of fine glass, Indian trade beads (probably sky blue Spanish Padre beads and beautiful red ‘White Hearts’).
In broken English the Indian told her that she should have these, because he must "pretty soon hang." Sidney B. Brinkerhoff described this as ‘a sad final gesture from a condemned man.’

I recently came over an image of his necklace, but can't find it anymore. Not sure if I even saved it on my computer...

[perico]

Was it you that has a copy of the Arizona scouts list? Any chance I could get a copy as a pdf or a xerox or fax or email or something?

[jeroen]

I have this one, said to be Dandy Jim:

[jeroen]

And according to David Roberts in "Once they moved like the wind" this image shows two of the scouts hanged for their part in the Cibecue affair, along with their guards:

[kayitah]

The man who's sitting on a rock may be Dandy Jim - I will post a very rare photograph of him this evening.

Actually, I doubt these are the ones who hung for the mutiny at Cibecue. But as there are no (known) images of Dead Shot and Skippy (Skitashe / Eskitchita), we don't know it.

[kayitah]

Dandy Jim, 1878 - image taken by Henry Buehman

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[kayitah]

and another supposedly of him. does anyone have this in better quality?

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[kayitah]

Another very interesting, influental and important individual was Captain Jack. I am sure the must be a photograph of him, but either he's not identified by name, or I haven't seen it yet.

Does anyone know more about it, does anyone have a picture of Captain Jack? He was sent to the Arizona State Penitentiary after a feud with chief Casadora - in fact, Jack wasn't the aggressor, but John Clum just favored Casadora; that set the fate for Captain Jack.

[kayitah]

There is one BIG error in this statement from the Fort Apache handout:

Fort Apache was never under
attack by any hostel force, never ever, as U.S. Army records will
confirm! The only battle fought in that area since the arrival of the
U.S. troops was on the mesa across the river where two Apache clans
fought a deadly battle over a reason no one remembers.
Further research will prove to you that the Tucson Citizen, and other
Tucson newspapers printed the story of the attack on Fort Apache before
Nock-eye-dei-klinne was assassinated, because they expected the
assassination would result in an Apache uprising. In fact, the
assassination had the opposite effect, with every noteworthy Apache
immediately taking cover, some (including Geronimo) fleeing the
Reservation, because of the fear of being hung.
U.S. Army records will confirm that (a) The Tucson Ring were wholly
responsible for the assassination (Nock-eye-dei-klinne was a peaceful
medicine man who, as the whole world knew, received the Medal of Peace
in person from President Grant), but in order to incite an uprising to
keep the military (and military contracts) in Arizona, the Tucson Ring
petitioned Congress and other influential people that
Nock-eye-dei-klinne was attracting other Indians not for peace, but
doing a "ghost dance" (something an Apache medicine man would not do!).
The Army records also show that (although the term was not in use at
that time) a contract was put out on Nock-eye-dei-klinne's head, that
the Army insisted he was a peaceful medicine man and not worth the
trouble of going to Cibecue to fetch him (that he would go to Fort
Apache, if asked), but the influence of the Tucson ring and Indian
Agent (noted for skimming on the contracts) resulted in the local
Commander's authority being usurped, and a troop dispatched to arrest
Nock-eye-del-klinne. The U.S. Army account of the incident confirms
Nock-eye-del-klinne surrendered peacefully and all went well until they
decided to set up camp for the night at which time an Army sergeant
under contract with the Tucson Ring attempted to decapitate
Nock-eye-del-klinne. When Nock-eye-del-klinne's wife went to his
rescue, she was shot and killed, as was his son. Nock-eye-del-klinne
and the sergeant were put under bonds for the night, but at some time
during the night, Nock-eye-del-klinne - after miraculously surviving
several attempts at decapitation, mysteriously died and was
decapitated. His silver peace medal suddenly appeared in Tucson, and
it is still on display at the Arizona Archaeological & Historical
Museum in Tucson.
Although the U.S. Army made it clear that the only Apache involvement
was in attempting to stop the assassination by disarming the Sergeant
and others trying to assist the sergeant. Despite the evidence and the
support of the local military personnel, the Tucson citizenry demanded
Apaches be hung as scapegoats for the crimes of the Tucson Ring, and
as former Chairman Ronnie Lupe won't hesitate to tell you, that was
the second most dishonorable thing the U.S. Government ever did to
Apaches (the first was to offer peace with the ulterior motive of
"exterminating" Apaches, as you can see from Secretary Colyer's 1871
Annual Report to the President.
Hence the "careful" wording of Captain Hentic's gravestone at Fort
Apache
Anyone who visits Fort Apache, should be well aware that if
any Apache band - no matter how small - attacked Fort Apache, there
would be no question at all that Apaches would have won the battle!
It would be impossible in those days for anyone to arrive or leave the
camp without being ambushed from one of the thousands of protected
hiding places which surround the Fort. As historical records show,
Apaches would never camp there because the site offered no protection
(Apache camps were across the river on the mesa where their ancestors
camped 1,000 years ago).
I just think the truth deserves to be published.

www.galenfrysinger.com/noch-eye-dei-klinne.htm


I have to agree. That charge on the Dreamer was ridiculous. Bringing back the dead was unthinkable for any N'dé. What do others think? And is there a photograph of Nakaidoklinni?

[jeroen]

Nock-eye-dei-klinne did nothing wrong, he was an innocent man preaching a peaceful message and the charge against him was indeed ridiculous. So yes, I agree in large part... Most whites had trouble believing anything Apaches said, or even bothered to listen. Contemporary accounts therefore, have to be read with care; they are usually selfserving and with preconceived notions and ideas. Btw, I think your spelling of the Dreamer's name is the correct one, Nakaidoklinni... And no, I have never seen his photograph...

[kayitah]

"Passing the guardhouse on her way to the post trader's store, Mrs. Gilbert C. Smith, wife of Captain Smith, post quartermaster, was motioned to by Dandy Jim from a window. When she faced him there, the scout took from his neck and presented to her a red glass and turquoise string of beads. He said, "You take, me pretty soon hang." A sad final gesture for a condemned man."

Source: The Smoke Signal, No. 36, Fall 1978 - Aftermath of Cibecue; Court Martial of the Apache Scouts, 1881

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[kayitah]

According to several sources (one of them being "Cibicu Creek Fight in Arizona: 1881" by H.B. Wharfield), Noch-ay-del-klinne (Naikaidoklinni) visited Washington in the 1870s and received a peace medal from president Grant.

I would expect that there is at least one photograph of the president posing with the delegates. Does anyone know more about that?

Any info that may include the names of other participants (even non-Apache) in that delegation may be of help. Thanks a lot.

[kayitah]

Jul 27, 2010 12:26:08 GMT -5 kayitah said:

and another supposedly of him. does anyone have this in better quality?

I posted this image to be Dandy Jim, but I'm not so sure anymore. Unfortunately, I don't remember where I originally found it (it was online).
It seems the man is wearing a medal but as I don't have it in higher resolution we don't know it it's a medal given by the president. If so, it would suppose that this man was also a delegate to Washington.

In his booklet Wharfield also includes the above photograph posted by Jeroen (Reply #3 on Jul 27, 2010, 1:39am). According to him (or his source) the man on the right is sergeant Dead Shot. The caption reads as follows: "Sgt Dead Shot seated on right. Courtesy Allan Radbourne, English Westerner's Society"..
I highly doubt it is Dead Shot, as Wharfield reports on page 90 that "The scout was a man about forty-five and the other prisoners were young men of some twenty-five years."

[kayitah]

the man identified as Dead Shot in Wharfield's "Cibicu Creek Fight in Arizona: 1881"

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[kayitah]

Apache scouts who took part in the Cibecue mutiny

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