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Post by gregor on Mar 11, 2019 7:23:35 GMT -5
Amazing images and good info! Here's another one, said to be Ih Tedda, Geronimo's Mescalero wife, the baby on her lap would be their son Robert... Can anybody confirm this?  ok you want Confirmation? ok Yes it is. Sorry, but I am not convinced that the said picture shows Geronimo’s Ih-tedda. If the photo shows Ih-Tedda with Lenna and Robert, then it must have been shot in mid-1890. Robert Geronimo was born in August 1889 (and the boy in the pic is at least 6-8 month old). The photographer of the "Ih Tedda" photo was A. F. Randall, who photographed several Mescalero. SIRIS has a photo of Chief Nautzili with exactly the same backdrop. On the back of this photo is written, "This photo was published on May 29, 1886 as a woodcut in Harper's Weekly." I have found no pictures of Randall in 1890 or later, using the above backdrop. All photos with this backdrop date from around 1885/86. At that time neither Lenna nor Robert were born. The first person to identify this image as Ih-Tedda was Eve Ball, to my knowledge. However, nobody is unfailing. Maybe someone has actually referred to the woman in the picture as Ih-Tedda, but we must keep in mind that Ih-Tedda means “Young woman” or “Young Girl”. And the picture shows a young woman, but not Geronimo’s Ih-Tedda. By the way, Randall photographed a series of this woman; I have 4 different views of this woman with all two children or just one child. The handwritten captions on the pics say: ”Mescalero Apache squaw & children” or “Mescalero Apache mother & child”. |
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Post by grahamew on Mar 11, 2019 12:20:40 GMT -5
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Post by gregor on Mar 11, 2019 16:36:18 GMT -5
I agree, we use the same sources. The photo album at Huntington includes 4 photos of the lady above, I believe.
A great source.
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Post by jasper4 on Mar 12, 2019 11:13:45 GMT -5
tipis were used by chiricahua when in 1913 were invited to the rez. The camp called whitetail or I think on cow cap road 2. Yes Jasper Tipis were used by Chiricahua People but so were the Hogans it varied some from band to band. The Mimbrenos used both as with the Nednhi and the Bronco. the Mogollon ancestors did also use both. It was common for the Chiricahua to use Tipis when on a hunt, war, or travelling but more often on long-term stays they would build the Hogan. (I Spell in English for those who don't read Apache... sorry) I made a remark of use of tipis, yet cite your source for chiricahua using hogans. |
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Post by gregor on Mar 16, 2019 12:19:41 GMT -5
ok you want Confirmation? ok Yes it is. Sorry, but I am not convinced that the said picture shows Geronimo’s Ih-tedda. If the photo shows Ih-Tedda with Lenna and Robert, then it must have been shot in mid-1890. Robert Geronimo was born in August 1889 (and the boy in the pic is at least 6-8 month old). The photographer of the "Ih Tedda" photo was A. F. Randall, who photographed several Mescalero. SIRIS has a photo of Chief Nautzili with exactly the same backdrop. On the back of this photo is written, "This photo was published on May 29, 1886 as a woodcut in Harper's Weekly." I have found no pictures of Randall in 1890 or later, using the above backdrop. All photos with this backdrop date from around 1885/86. At that time neither Lenna nor Robert were born. The first person to identify this image as Ih-Tedda was Eve Ball, to my knowledge. However, nobody is unfailing. Maybe someone has actually referred to the woman in the picture as Ih-Tedda, but we must keep in mind that Ih-Tedda means “Young woman” or “Young Girl”. And the picture shows a young woman, but not Geronimo’s Ih-Tedda. By the way, Randall photographed a series of this woman; I have 4 different views of this woman with all two children or just one child. The handwritten captions on the pics say: ”Mescalero Apache squaw & children” or “Mescalero Apache mother & child”. This is the "Ih-tedda" series of Randall:  |
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Post by Miroslav on Apr 12, 2019 19:13:21 GMT -5
I cordially greet you from Slovakia, very interesting photos. Mescalero Apache Indians are displayed in interesting clothes. Apparently it's a festive outfit. I know Americans as warriors. I attach pictures of clothes on mannequins and ask you to reply. Either they are just fantastic pictures of Apache Indians, or Apache festive garments differed from combat clothing. And they may only display a different time period. Can you answer that? Thank you very much. Miroslav.
file:///C:/Users/uzivatel/Desktop/apache%20-%20mescalero%20warrior.jpg - Mescalero Apache warrior
file:///C:/Users/uzivatel/Desktop/figurine-miniature-spain-indien-f18.jpg - Apache warrior
file:///C:/Users/uzivatel/Desktop/pegaso-models54mmguerrier-apache1860-80.jpg - Apache warrior
file:///C:/Users/uzivatel/Desktop/apache%20warrior...jpg - Apache warrior
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Post by Dietmar on Apr 13, 2019 9:33:37 GMT -5
Hello Miroslav,
you need to upload your pictures on an internet server to make them visible.
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Post by miro on Apr 13, 2019 16:34:54 GMT -5
Mescalero warrior dummies(?)
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Post by miro on Apr 14, 2019 15:08:23 GMT -5
Other Mescalero Apache Apparel - Seems to be the Chief (bottom right). Or festive clothing? Or a different time period than the combat clothes on the dummies (above)? Thanks for your answers. Miro. Attachments:
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Post by maks on Sept 1, 2021 21:41:00 GMT -5
I accidentally stumbled upon your resource, I am a Russian. but for many years I have been interested in the history of American Indians, but in this case I am interested in the Cadet and his photos. Could you please help me ?
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Post by Lynda Sanchez on Aug 14, 2022 21:33:17 GMT -5
Several months agp I presented a Zoom talk for the Old Pueblo Archaeology Center about how the Apache warriors told their side to Eve Ball. A couple of archive centers have decided to include that information of the youtube video in their Eve Ball files or files about the efficacy of oral history. Ms. Ball and I both worked on the Mescalero reservation where the Chiricahua and Lipan also live. An accompanying article (contact Old Pueblo Center, Al Dart Director) has many images.
Should any of your archives or museums be interested you can Google Apache Warriors tell their side to Eve Ball by Lynda A. Sanchez
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I am continually amazed at what she accomplished in the era before computers. Please let me know if you have any questions.
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Post by Shush on Nov 10, 2023 11:40:19 GMT -5
My 3rd Great grandmother (Grandmother) Maria Antonia Patiño b.1826 in what is known as Zaragoza Coahuila Mexico was Mescalero or Lipan Apache. She and her family were kin to CHEVATO the Apache warrior who captured Hermann Lehmann. Born at the "Hacienda de Patiño" Chevato was born into the Kune tsa band Western Lipans. A band that was pushed out of Texas by Comanche aggression and had inhabited northern Coahuila since the first Lipan had entered the mission of San Lorenzo in 1755. I am also kin to Chief Juan Gomez. My mother and father's kin were both born in this region. The South Texas and Northern Mexico area.
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