Mescalero Apache

[tjmeekins]

Thank you! I found a copy of the first version (Domingo, seated in front, without a hat) at archphotos.nmsu.edu/keyword.cfm ID no. 01100237 The info reads: Mescalero Indians. Left to RIght, back row: 1. Joe Treas 2. Blue Knife (uncle of Comanche John) 3. Enchady Front Row: 4. Hugh Domingo (Lt. Statler demanded the Indian men cut hair and put on pants. Indians called him Tata Loco. In row with Statler in the 1890's, Domingo cut out hole in jail and exiled himself to Muruche until Supt. Carroll came. 5. Kendinchin 6. Blake Pancho?)

It is from The Blazer Family Papers Collection, New Mexico State University Archives Photographic Collections. Scrolling through, I noticed many of the other Mescalero photos posted here. A great collection for browsing, but not much info is attached to the images.

Have you-all already discussed whether the identifications are correct? The archives don't put a date on the photo, or identify the photographer. Educated guesses?

Wiki names Domingo "Cadete, Sierrablanca Mescalero Chief"

I'm still looking for the second image where Domingo/Cadete has a hat on - wonderful! Thanks again - TJ

[grahamew]

The Huntingdon Library has a great collection of Apache photos taken by A Frank Randall between 1883 and 1887, including this one of Domingo.



The Huntingdon has Comanche John as the son of Blue Knife:



hdl.huntington.org/cdm/compoundobject/collection/p15150coll2/id/9957/rec/1

[grahamew]

Here's another photo clearly taken at the same time as the one you're interested in:

Chief Nalt'zilli (or Nut Cilli) seated, Domingo on left, unidentified on right



Found at econtent.unm.edu/cdm/singleitem/collection/acpa/id/9923/rec/31

Photographer is J. R. Riddle, probably between 1886 and 1890

While I'm here, the Mescalero police photo:



Identifications on the back:



A scan of this is here econtent.unm.edu/cdm/singleitem/collection/hubbard/id/831/rec/63 and an attempt has been made at working out the names:

Digital scan of a photograph of 19th century Mescalero Indian Police. Written on back: " Group showing part of Apache Police force @ Mescalero Agency. 1.Jose Carrillo, Interpreter married to squaw. 2.Patricio Scout USA. 3.Boneski (Dry Teeth) Captain of police 4.San Per subchief, son of the famous San Juan. 5.Three Finger Charlie, scout. 6.Nautzilli (Cow) Chief of Tribe. 7.Chino, scout. 8. Magoosh, subchief & scout. 9. Donnego(?) Scout & Trailer, U.S.A. 10. Capt. S.A. Utter(?), Chief of scouts. Force under Col. J.F. Brunett, agent. No. 272."

As you can see, Doonego is plainly Domingo.

[tamsinsilver]

Hi! Sadly, I have no amazing photos to post, but what a treasure trove this entire thread is!

As you can see by my information, I'm a writer, and though I do not live in New Mexico, I'm working on moving there. I've visited a lot in the past two years and have fallen in love with the state and the people in it, specifically the Lincoln area.

The book I am working on takes place in the 1870's of NM in the Lincoln County. I have a character that is of the Mescalero Apache Tribe and I am in need of a good name for him.

Is there anyone on here who would know of a link to Mescalero Apache names? If not, might you know a name for an Apache baby boy born with grey eyes?

Also, there are two words I am in need of:

1. Warrior (other than the word, Apache, itself, obviously)

2. Black Wolf or Big Black Wolf (if we want to get really specific)

Any help would be much appreciated and I respectfully thank you for your time and assistance. It's very important to me to be as accurate as I can be.

Best,

Tamsin

[Michele Duran]

I keep seeing 'Domingo' referenced as a scout or headman. I am interested in finding out the significance of this man to the tribe. Can someone clarify who he was and his importance at that time? Thanks!

[naiches2]

Mescalero chiefs ca. 1886

[dT]

I have a question - maybe someone can help.
The photos show Mescalero Apache with tipi's.
Other tribes within the Nde (Apache) used a much simpler house .. made from sticks, branches and mud.
Did the Mescaleros use tipis as a normal type of house, or were these photos for ceremonial purposes?

thanks.

[dT]

I have a question - maybe someone can help.
The photos show Mescalero Apache with tipi's.
Other tribes within the Nde (Apache) used a much simpler house .. made from sticks, branches and mud.
Did the Mescaleros use tipis as a normal type of house, or were these photos for ceremonial purposes?

thanks.

[chicheman]

Hello dt,

you can find references about the Mescaleros using Tipis, for example in Thomas E. Mail´s "The People called Apache",I think to remember (without having gone back to it right now). The Mescaleros used Plains Style material culture to some degree, like clothing, some men used the braid hair style, the Mocassins were of the ankle high shape not like the knee high styles of Chiricahua and Western Apache (though some may have used the knee high Mocs as well ?, don´t know, but there was interaction between Chiricahua and Mescaleros and intermarriage, that´s well known). Also Lipan are mentioned to have used Tipis,as well as Jicarilla and of course Naisha (Plains Apache, known as Kiowa Apache). Nevertheless, all These said Groups/bands/tribes did preserve their unique Apache identity,languages and religious expressions,despite some influences of Plains Neighbours, so far as I was learning. Maybe some of our Ndee friends in the Forum may want to explain or add to my Little knowledge. Best, chicheman

[jasper4]

tipis were used by chiricahua when in 1913 were invited to the rez. The camp called whitetail or I think on cow cap road 2.

[Bernie S]

I was wondering of anyone has any history on a Chief named Mzazen (might be incorrect spelling) c. early 1800's?

[ouroboros]

ANTHROPOLOGICAL RECORDS 4:1 CULTURE ELEMENT DISTRIBUTIONS: XII APACHE-PUEBLO BY E. W, GIFFORD

It can be downloaded form this website: dpg.lib.berkeley.edu/webdb/anthpubs/search?all=&volume=4&journal=3&item=2

Interestingly, it lists four major bands of the Mescalero:

1)Kahoane, lived South to El Paso
2) Ni'ahane, lived in Sacramento Mountains, Guadalupe Mountains et.c
3) Huskaane, lived in Pecos v.
4) Tuetenene, they were said a half Lipan, half Mescalero Band.

[Ebby]

Sept 27, 2010 10:17:10 GMT -5 jeroen said:

Amazing images and good info! Here's another one, said to be Ih Tedda, Geronimo's Mescalero wife, the baby on her lap would be their son Robert... Can anybody confirm this?

ok you want Confirmation?  ok Yes it is.

[Ebby]

Oct 11, 2016 15:29:55 GMT -5 tamsinsilver said:

Hi! Sadly, I have no amazing photos to post, but what a treasure trove this entire thread is!

As you can see by my information, I'm a writer, and though I do not live in New Mexico, I'm working on moving there. I've visited a lot in the past two years and have fallen in love with the state and the people in it, specifically the Lincoln area.

The book I am working on takes place in the 1870's of NM in the Lincoln County. I have a character that is of the Mescalero Apache Tribe and I am in need of a good name for him.

Is there anyone on here who would know of a link to Mescalero Apache names? If not, might you know a name for an Apache baby boy born with grey eyes?

Also, there are two words I am in need of:

1. Warrior (other than the word, Apache, itself, obviously)

2. Black Wolf or Big Black Wolf (if we want to get really specific)

Any help would be much appreciated and I respectfully thank you for your time and assistance. It's very important to me to be as accurate as I can be.

Best,

Tamsin

hummm a name... yeah I would give the character a name that would be common. Apaches don't give out their real names for a reason, it a personal name. Hence the use of names used are creative to say the least and generally are given to us by outsiders. also avoid names that have animals in it, if you are trying to get a realism setting going.

[Ebby]

Oct 27, 2017 11:04:11 GMT -5 jasper4 said:

tipis were used by chiricahua when in 1913 were invited to the rez. The camp called whitetail or I think on cow cap road 2.

Yes Jasper Tipis were used by Chiricahua People but so were the Hogans it varied some from band to band. The Mimbrenos used both as with the Nednhi and the Bronco. the Mogollon ancestors did also use both. It was common for the Chiricahua to use Tipis when on a hunt, war, or travelling but more often on long-term stays they would build the Hogan. (I Spell in English for those who don't read Apache... sorry)