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Post by jeroen on Sept 27, 2010 10:26:40 GMT -5
Does anybody have additional info about a "Little Robe" (not a very Apache like name), son of Geronimo... Angie Debo's biography does not provide much info either...  |
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Post by kayitah on Sept 27, 2010 11:48:11 GMT -5
This grave is at Fort Bowie, I saw it and also took a picture when I was there in June... hope to go again next year to see a lot more...
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Post by jeroen on Oct 8, 2010 6:15:01 GMT -5
This was likely one of the children taken captive during the attacks by Apache scouts in July and August 1885 when Geronimo's wives (Ziyeh, She ga and perhaps a third wife) were also captured and the prisoners were brought to Fort Bowie.
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Post by jeroen on Dec 15, 2010 12:31:20 GMT -5
drawing done by Geronimo:  |
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Post by coeurrouge on Jan 13, 2011 12:29:26 GMT -5
After read the Sweeney's new book, I was surprised to learn that Geronimo had a wife who was slained and scalped by Mexicans on august 1886.
Could be Shtsha-She?
Also, it seems that Chee-Ash-Kish was captured, not at Casas Grandes on may 1882, but the january, 24th, 1883.
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Post by jeroen on Jan 15, 2011 7:22:19 GMT -5
Coeurrouge, I think you are right... most historians report that two or three of Geronim's wives were captured by Davis's scouts, including Taz ay slath, Ziyeh and Marionetta. She ga was arrested earlier by the Mescalero police, that leaves only Shtsha She and She ga (freed by Geronimo in the fall of 1885) and we know She ga surrendered with her husband in september 1886, while Shtsha she is usually reported as killed sometime before...
Don't you guys find that Taz ay slath and Yanozha share a very strong resemblance (same mouth, features)? I know, from the historical facts, that Taz ay slath and She ga (Yanozha's sister) are almost certainly not one and the same person, but I do think they are realted one way or the other... any ideas on this?
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Post by Dietmar on Jan 19, 2011 11:20:28 GMT -5
I´ve seen this at ebay without identification, but it looks to me like Geronimo with a feather bonnet. Is it him?  |
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Post by jeroen on Jan 20, 2011 4:55:50 GMT -5
Yes, no question... The photo used here is posted earlier in this thread somewhere, but somebody with very little sense of cultural and historical accuracy probably thought Geronimo "did not look Indian enough" so added the feather bonnet and Plains shirt...
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Post by perico on Jan 24, 2011 5:32:53 GMT -5
Geronimo was photographed with stuff like this on alot. Keep in mind he was being paid. Most likely whoever photographed him in stuff like this had him wear it.
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Post by jeroen on Jan 25, 2011 2:47:05 GMT -5
True, but I think in this photograph the bonnet and shirt were added by hand on the negative (rather poorly), which was a common thing in those days... Note the unnatural position of the feathers and shadow on the shirt...
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Post by coeurrouge on Jan 29, 2011 10:27:11 GMT -5
Wifes of Geronimo on order (try)
Alope/Gee esh kizn, mother of 3 children -killed all on march 1851
Nana tha thith, mother of one baby- killed both on december 1858
Chee hash kish, mother of Dohn-say (d.1898) and Chappo (d.1893)-captured and disappeared on january, 1883
Mañonetta -captured on august 1885, died between april 1886 and april 1887.
Nah no - captured and disappeared on may 1882.
She ga, mother of 1 girl and Little Robe (d.09/1885) - surrendered on september 1886, died on september 1887.
Shatsha he - killed on august 1886.
Ziyeh mother of Fenton (d.1897) and Eva (d.1911) -captured on august 1885, died on 1904.
Ta ayz slath, mother of a little boy- died both between april 1886 and april 1887.
Ih tedda, mother of Lenna and Robert
Azul -survived of Geronimo
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Post by jeroen on Feb 1, 2011 8:19:10 GMT -5
Yes, that's what I got also so far... I also read somewhere that a woman called Neschilla also was married to Geronimo. She was also captured in 1885 and later photographed at Fort Bowie... Meanwhile, two more Geronimo photographs, one a close up of an image posted earlier in this thread, the other a rare alternative photo with awhite man wearing a Pendleton blanket...   |
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Post by naiches2 on Feb 1, 2011 9:01:56 GMT -5
Yes, that's what I got also so far... I also read somewhere that a woman called Neschilla also was married to Geronimo. She was also captured in 1885 and later photographed at Fort Bowie... Neschilla at Fort Bowie in 1886  Marianetta at Fort Bowie in 1886  |
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Post by jeroen on Feb 4, 2011 3:34:12 GMT -5
It is also said that Huera divorced Mangus and that she was married to Geronimo soon after for a while (during the stay at Mount Vernon), but the relationship was not a happy one and they were divorced after a few months...
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Post by jeroen on Feb 10, 2011 5:12:00 GMT -5
A friend of mine refers to a story in Eve Ball's book by Eugene Chihuahua, and also related by James Kaywaykla, that Geronimo married awoman called Fransesca when incarcerated in the East. I think that Fransesca is a Mexican name for Huera... (see also the Chiricahua women thread)... any ideas?
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