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Post by jeroen on Dec 5, 2010 9:56:33 GMT -5
Welcome Peggy, I hope you enjoy these discussions, and I am looking forward to your contributions!
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Post by jeroen on Dec 6, 2010 10:10:04 GMT -5
Earlier in this thread, Perico suggested that Kilthdigai and Tsisnah might be one and the same person, in particular since we don't know what happened to Tsisnah following the March 1886 meeting with Crook, until he shows up in the Carlisle records... Sweeney, in his new book, mentions both men, implying they were not one and the same. Furthermore, he gives Askildega as another name/ alternative spelling for Kilthdigai.
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Post by perico on Jan 24, 2011 5:28:22 GMT -5
Peggy! How are you?
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John Provencio Ortega
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Post by John Provencio Ortega on Aug 17, 2013 17:20:11 GMT -5
My family is from the Mimbres The Black Range I have been told by some of the elders up in that area that we are decendent of Victorio , do you have any info ? Also I have a few Godoys in my line and I am thinking this is Gooday . I know there are Godoys at white Mountain. Do you think that maybe that Goodays wanted to distance themselves from Godoys (White Mountain) by allowing a little tweek in the spelling?
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Post by jasper4 on Aug 18, 2013 12:12:52 GMT -5
My family is from the Mimbres The Black Range I have been told by some of the elders up in that area that we are decendent of Victorio , do you have any info ? Also I have a few Godoys in my line and I am thinking this is Gooday . I know there are Godoys at white Mountain. Do you think that maybe that Goodays wanted to distance themselves from Godoys (White Mountain) by allowing a little tweek in the spelling? The Gooday's line is in okla but check the mescalero rez which can be done online one in okla is the fort sill apache site Enjun |
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Post by dT on Aug 20, 2013 19:44:04 GMT -5
this comment appeared 3 years ago here ...
"In addition, not all Nednai came north and several families remained in Mexico long after all Chiricahua people were brought to Florida. Perhaps some of the people photographed by Fly in March did not surrender with either Naiche and Geronimo, nor with Chihuahua... "
an intelligent thought!
I have often thought myself that Geronimo was stupid to volunteer the surrender of the whole band of his raiding party. After all, how would Miles ever know how many Nde were truly out there with the raiding party anyway? So long as Miles heard that most of the main "perpetrators" (in the eyes of the cavalry) had surrendered, he would probably be satisfied with the results. It seems as though Geronimo could not have ordered his warriors to surrender - they would have made individual decisions.
I will never understand why they did not split up, with some surrendering and others staying wild. And it seems that Lozen should have remained free and wild - too bad she made the choice to turn herself in. But anyway, the comment above implies that some Nde did stay free ... maybe staying in the Sierra Madre of Mexico where they could not be caught. It makes good sense to me.
just some thoughts.
but it is difficult to judge real circumstances - and what happened long ago ... and why.
dT
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Post by kayitah on Aug 21, 2013 5:39:58 GMT -5
Your right with your thought, dt. Not all of the group photographed by Fly surrendered.
At least two men how have been (tentatively) identified in the photos remained free - Adilnadzid, a Chokonen, and Natculbaye (aka José Maria Elias), a Nednhi.
Others men (names of women and children not reported) remained out according to reports:
Nah-pi-a
El-cha-nache
without doubt there were more whose names are long forgotten...
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