Kaatenay

[coeurrouge]

For Perico's wish.

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[naiches2]

coeurrouge ,
Thank you for photo that you posted, but perico had in mind another photo of Kaytennae:

This from SIRIS and colorized, but he would like a copy of the original

[coeurrouge]

Kaathenay had a second wife, seemed older (from 3 years) than Guyan.
Her mane was Nah-Nah-Tsan borned in 1854 and died in 1913 before going to Mescalero.I do not find yet if they had children.

Guyan and Kaatheany had at less 3 children:
Richard (1889-1905)
Bruce (1890-1910)
Ruth (1896-1899)

[naiches2]

Mystic Woman

1.From tomb at Oklahoma:
"Nah-Nah-Tsan
Apache
Wife of Ka-Ah-Te-Ney
Mother of Big Belle
1864 - 1913"

2. From another tomb at Mescalero, NM:
Nah-hahT-San (1854 - 1915)
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In Census Roll 30 june 1913 she was in NM with Kaahteney (!!!).

I think only very good person has two tombs (for example: Minnie Zurega Chiricahua -- Attention! -- grand-daughter of Nah-Nah-Tsan, James and Belle (Big Belle) Nicholas' daughter).

[Montolzh]

Mt Vernon photo obviously misidentified as Kahdezhinne. Shows 2 children, Kaywaykla would have been at Carlisle.

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[pullingup]

kaa = ammunition (arrows or bullets) edi = it is all gone (the i on the edi is nasalized) ni = the one that is. In this case ni would better be translated as 'the one whose', combining to translate as 'The one whose ammunition is all gone'. I would need to look up the high tones.

[jasper4]

Ammo in the instance that before the spanish, anglo no bullets would have considered, thus the orig intent 'arrows' I would think on the high tones though

[pullingup]

Kaa means ammunition. It does not now nor has it ever meant only "arrows", even before the Spanish showed up. Kaateney lived long after the Spanish showed up. In Chiricahua Apache language, there is no way to distinguish between arrows and bullets without adding a descriptive phrase or context information.

[jasper4]

"thus the orig intent 'arrows' I would think" as in premise, einstein aint no one argue with you so keep your mindset in keel. Oh yeah I know what it means and many before this NDE had the name or maybe your still of the gringo way of lets write about the apache which means enemy, thus aint no one your enemy here, except maybe yourself

[pullingup]

So the original intent is an English concept? Interesting hypothesis.

[pullingup]

Revised spelling after checking. The current orthography is still subject to a tiny bit of interpretation, but for the most part is fairly settled.
K’aa’édįńí
In case this board doesn't copy that spelling properly: Spelled as a "k" with an apostrophe to make it a glottalized "k" sound, double "a", an apostrophe representing a glottal stop, "e" with a high tone, a "d" (which is sometimes difficult to differentiate from a "t" sound), a nasalized letter "i", an "n" with a high tone, and an "i" with a high tone. In a previous comment, I neglected to glottalize the "k" which turns it into an entirely different word.

[swa562]

Kaahteney, his wife, Guyan, and the child Kaywaykla, Courtesy Museum of New Mexcixo.

(Jacob Kayatennae) Mimbreno Apache Leader and 1880 Army Scout.

Kayatennae proved unruly dring the stay and was arrested in 1884 after an attack on Lieutenant Britton Davis and was sentenced to three years at Alcatraz, but was released after about 18 months at the request of General George Crook who employed him as a scout. He was present at Canyon de Los Embudos in Mexico along with Mickey Free.

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[swa562]

Jacob Kayatennae he helped track Geronimo with Mickey Free, William Alchesay, Alfred Chatto,

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[swa562]

I never seen the photo of the Apache delegation in 1886. Where can I go se see it? I wonder if Mickey Free is in it or William Alchesay. Please post it.

[swa562]

Jacob Kayatennae

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