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Post by kakarns on Dec 2, 2017 4:20:36 GMT -5
Hello American Tribes and fellow members. I have been very busy with other things in my life including, working allot of hrs.. I still visit the A.T.'s site to do a little reading. Also, read from books and once in a while, jot down a few notes.
Personal Short Story: A few days back, I was fortunate enough to have the time to make a small journey across N.W. Iowa. At my destination, I met up with a Hunka Brother. My Brother helped me to insure some supply donations would reach their new homes. The donations, I mentioned were originally intended for, (fellow website member), LaDonna and the other Water Protectors. However, during my journey last year to N.D., U.S.A , I had some bad luck with my vehicle and wasn't able to continue my journey north.
Sincerely, kakarns
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Post by kakarns on Oct 29, 2017 6:51:59 GMT -5
Thank you Kingsley
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Post by kakarns on Oct 22, 2017 3:32:24 GMT -5
QUESTION: Please, refer to the two quoted sentences below: "Chips lives on No Flesh Creek; the next creek west is Little Wound Creek The next west of this is American Horse Creek. No Flesh and Little Wound unite about one mile north of Kyle, and from the point of junction the stream is called Medicine Root." Would anyone have any knowledge as to, what time frame this may have been REFER: Chips Interview with Eli R. Thank you, kakarns
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Post by kakarns on Oct 14, 2017 5:52:59 GMT -5
I feel the need to try to write some sort of, small... "Summary To Date/Theory". For many years now, I've been trying to solve the mystery of, where my American Indian Ancestor's "Place of Origin" may have been. Where did we come from, back 6 Generations ago (200+yrs.) TIME FRAME OF THEORY - 1830'S to 1868 ; 1.) I have felt for time now that at least, Charging Eagle's Mother - "Starts Fire" and her family may have originated in the Minnesota or North Dakota, U.S.A. area. a.) Please, read #3.) below which, is from one of my post above. Dated; Oct. 8, 2017. 3.) Cheyenne research, Source - "Access Genealogy" website/part of a larger collection called "Indian Tribes of North American", states some of the following: a.) " A little later they seem to have moved to the neighborhood of Lake Traverse and still later part of them occupied a stockade town on the Sheyenne River of North Dakota near the present Lisbon, N. Dak." b.)"When Bent's Fort was built on the upper Arkansas in 1832 a large part decided to establish themselves near it but the rest continued to rove about the headwaters of the North Platte and the Yellowstone. This separation in the tribe was made permanent by the Treaty of Fort Laramie in 1851, the two sections being known respectively as Southern Cheyenne and Northern Cheyenne. In the meantime they had met and formed an alliance with the Arapaho, though there is no memory of the date or the circumstances." Read more: amertribes.proboards.com/thread/1411/charging-eagle-lakota?page=8#ixzz4vTK2XWYw1.b.) Charging Eagle and parents possibly arrived and settled in the state of Colorado, U.S.A. circa 1832. [NOTE]:Charging Eagle b. 1832 stated on the 1910 Census that he and his Mother were born in North Dakota but, his Father - "Grows Quick" was born in Colorado, U.S.A.. 1.c.) Charging Eagle had daughter, (my G.G. Grandmother), "Top Of The Head" b. March, 1864. Birth location; Rocky Ford, Colorado, U.S.A.. [NOTE]: Rocky Ford, Colorado was only approximately...40 miles N.W. of, "Bent's" Fort/Trading post. 2.a.) While Charging Eagle lived in Colorado, he may have been camped with the Cheyenne's. Including, Chief Yellow Wolf. 2.b.) Sometime during the time frame of the 1864 "Sand Creek Massacre" is when, I think Charging Eagle and family may have joined the camp of, "Chief Little Wound". 2.c.) Next, Charging Eagle and family settled at Medicine Root Creek near Kyle, South Dakota in circa 1868. Laters, kakarns
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Post by kakarns on Oct 14, 2017 3:37:36 GMT -5
YELLOW WOLF -
I recognized the name "Yellow Wolf". I was almost certain that I had seen that name listed with, Charging Eagle (my G.G.G. Grandfather) in some Census that I have. I went back and checked tonight. So far, I have found two Census in which, they are listed together.
One Census states that they were both with Little Wound and the Cut Off's in 1877.
The other Census from 1886, has him listed under #17 "Left Hand". Listed along with Yellow Wolf are; Fly Above, Yellow Bull, White Dress and Sam Last Horse. Directly below Left Hand's group is #18 One Feather's group. Charging Eagle, Bear Wolf, Spotted Elk, Standing Cloud are listed with One Feather.
I am uncertain at this time which, Yellow Wolf seemed to have, some type of relationship with my ancestor, Charging Eagle.
kakarns
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Post by kakarns on Oct 8, 2017 4:57:25 GMT -5
Hello, Since 9-23-13 I have been collecting information about the Native Americans that may have lived near Rocky Ford, Colorado in the year of Pecokawin's birth, March 17, 1864. I have no solid proof at this time but, most of the information I have been finding suggests it was more probable it was the Cheyenne and Arapaho Peoples. Therefore, I have had to look at a bigger picture so to speak, knowing that Charging Eagle ended up settling at Medicine Root Creek in South Dakota. The biggest question in the back of my mind is perhaps, was Charging Eagle in Rocky Ford because he married into the Cheyenne or Arapaho family or, was he originally from the Cheyenne or, Arapaho Peoples ? 1.) On the "THIRTEENTH CENSUS OF THE UNITED STATES: INDIAN POPULATION, Medicine Root District, May of 1910" list the following information: Charging Eagle - Head - age 76 - Place of Birth of this Person, North Dakota - Place of Birth of Father of this Person, Colorado - Place of Birth of Mother of this Person, North Dakota. This information was a good start for me in my research. I must say that the year this Census was taken, Charging Eagle would enter the Spirit World, 7 months later. So, considering Charging Eagle gave the birth place of himself and his Mother in North Dakota and his Father from Colorado, it seemed like a good start even though, I know the Census are not allows accurate. 2.) "PRAIRIE PROGRESS IN WEST CENTRAL SOUTH DAKOTA" (pg. 495) states the following: "Dan married Fannie Charging Eagle, an Agallala Sioux. Her family had lived at Pine Ridge for ten years before her marriage to Dan in 1878 and prior to that in Colorado." [Note]: Notice the spelling of Agallala. I am not sure if, this is a "type O" or, it has meaning that I am unaware of ? 3.) Cheyenne research, Source - "Access Genealogy" website/part of a larger collection called "Indian Tribes of North American", states some of the following: a.) " A little later they seem to have moved to the neighborhood of Lake Traverse and still later part of them occupied a stockade town on the Sheyenne River of North Dakota near the present Lisbon, N. Dak." b.)"When Bent's Fort was built on the upper Arkansas in 1832 a large part decided to establish themselves near it but the rest continued to rove about the headwaters of the North Platte and the Yellowstone. This separation in the tribe was made permanent by the Treaty of Fort Laramie in 1851, the two sections being known respectively as Southern Cheyenne and Northern Cheyenne. In the meantime they had met and formed an alliance with the Arapaho, though there is no memory of the date or the circumstances." Of course, knowing that 1864 was the birth year of Pecokanwin and the same year of the "Sand Creek Massacre", I have to ask myself was Charging Eagle and family survivors of the massacre or, were they not there ? Thanks, kakarns Something of interest concerning the above mentioned. I have been doing some reading in a book titled; "The Peace Chiefs of the Cheyennes" by Stan Hoig. In this book Mr. Hoig has supplied me with some evidence, to support some of my theory's mentioned above, in the quote. Some of the Cheyenne were indeed in Colorado during the time frame that I had been questioning. Which, helps support my reasoning that there was a good chance my relatives were camped there with these Cheyenne's. (Up to 1864). In the book, it mentions: "Chief Yellow Wolf was shot down on a cold November morning in 1864 at Sand Creek only a short way from where he met the Bent's some forty years earlier and invited them to build their fort in Cheyenne country." Therefore, Chief Yellow Wolf was already in Colorado circa 1824. Refer.: "The Peace Chiefs of the Cheyennes" by Stan Hoig *myself kakarns
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Post by kakarns on Oct 8, 2017 4:20:41 GMT -5
Lynnette, Can you tell me where (what Thread) you found the error ? It will make it easier for me to correct. Sorry about the error. Thanks, kakarns
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Post by kakarns on Mar 12, 2017 6:12:43 GMT -5
Lance, Here's some info. I found on a, Josephine Garreau.;
Antoine4 Lebeau, born Jul 1854 in Oglala Sioux Nation; died 19 Mar 1919 in Dewey, South Dakota. He married Josephine Garreau.
William Lebeau, born 1885 in Two Kettle Nation, South Dakota; died 24 Jan 1958 in Cheyenne River, South Dakota, son of Antoine Lebeau and Josephine (Garreau) Lebeau.
Refer: LaDeane Miller files
kakarns
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Post by kakarns on Mar 12, 2017 5:44:46 GMT -5
Lance, I found two different entries in my files under a man named, John Randall. Whom, seems to have married a daughter of Charles and Kate Garreau. Notice that they share similar info. except, the ancestors of John Randall are different and the list of children, is larger in Entry #2. Therefore, you may have some sorting out to do.
[NOTE]; 1st Entry:
John3 Randall (Todd2, Todd1), born 1891 in Pine Ridge, Shannon, South Dakota; died 8 May 1935 in Pine Ridge, Shannon, South Dakota. He married Alice May (Garreau) Randall, born 1903 in Cheyenne River Sioux, daughter of Charles Garreau and Kate ((---)) Garreau.
Children of John Randall and Alice May Garreau were as follows:
Catherine Lucy4 Randall, born 17 Jul 1921 in Pine Ridge, Shannon, South Dakota. Cordelia Wilma4 Randall, born 29 Dec 1924 in Pine Ridge, Shannon, South Dakota.
[NOTE]; 2nd Entry:
John3 Randall (Sallie2 (---), Slow Bull1), born 1891 in Pine Ridge, Shannon, South Dakota; died 8 May 1935 in Pine Ridge, Shannon, South Dakota. He married Alice May (Garreau) Randall, born 1903 in Cheyenne River Sioux, daughter of Charles Garreau and Kate ((---)) Garreau.
Children of John Randall and Alice May Garreau were as follows:
Catherine Lucy4 Randall, born 17 Jul 1921 in Pine Ridge, Shannon, South Dakota. Cordelia Wilma4 Randall, born 29 Dec 1924 in Pine Ridge, Shannon, South Dakota. Ramona Elsie4 Randall, born 21 Oct 1927 in Pine Ridge, Shannon, South Dakota. She married Waldren Jerome Bettelyoun, born 3 Aug 1924 in Pine Ridge, Shannon, South Dakota; died 1 May 1969 in California, son of Isaac P Bettelyoun and Sophia ((---)) Bettelyoun. Jeanette Frances4 Randall, born 14 May 1929 in Pine Ridge, Shannon, South Dakota. She married Nicolas Crazy Thunder, born 9 May 1921 in Pine Ridge, Shannon, South Dakota, son of Joseph Crazy Thunder and Rosa (Janis) Crazy Thunder.
Refer: LaDeane Miller files
kakarns
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Oyuhpe
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Post by kakarns on Mar 11, 2017 9:59:19 GMT -5
dado, the Maka-itchu or Takes Earth tiyospaye was a very old one, predating the Oyuhpe-Hunkpatila divergence which took place early in the 18th c. Red Dog (c. 1815-c. 1885) married into this group. He was a Hunkpapa by birth. His following was still called "Makaicu" as late as the 1890 Pine Ridge census. The Susu-ikitchun name was coined at the end of the 18th c. (ballpark); and Wakan and Makaha were groups (Sans Arc and related) that only joined the Oyuhpe post-1800. So --- the primal sub-bands of Oyuhpe in the 1700s must have been Oyuhpe-hcka and Takes Earth. There may have been sub-groups whose names are lost to history of course. I have at least one sub-group or family name that I've never heard of in any other account -- must be just a small family group in the 1800s but who knows they may have been important players a century earlier. The Gartersnake Earrings only emerged as a distinct band in the 1820s, is my understanding. As said it was largely created out of intermarriages across the previous generation between Oyuhpe folks and people from the Wakpokiyan band of Miniconjou (the band identified with the Lone Horn and Lame Deer families). I don't think we can be so precise as to say if one particular sub-band (remember these are only 50-100 people at any given moment) was the founding group - though for sure a single founding marriage must have started the whole thing off. When a new band was formed, if it achieved 'take-off', it attracted people from everywhere anyway. Tobacco: I've had to revise my ideas about this chief, the one painted by George Catlin at Ft Pierre in 1832. He had Oyuhpe connections, including an Oyuhpe wife, and may have lived among them for some time (1820s?) while they were still associated with the Miniconjou. But Tobacco was one of the headmen in the Payabya band. His descendants are important in the lines coming down through Payabya and the Kettle with Legs band that settled on Pine Ridge near Holy Rosary Mission (today's Calico community, immediate neighbours of Payabya community). Fellow Members, I have been trying to do some research on the TOBACCO family. It all started with a copy of a partial page, of the 1890 Pine Ridge Census that included the name, TRANSPARENT. I've been going back on different occasions to gaze at this Census and wonder if..., it was possible that this woman named TRANSPARENT could be my G.G.G. Grandmother. This name is quit rare and actually the documents that I have list her full name as, TRANSPARENT STONE. When a person has limited resources, it is very easy to start to speculate, assume, guess, grasp at straws, etc.. So anyway, I've had this particular 1890 Census since, 10/16/12. The past few days I have been trying to research the names on my partial page, read what info. is posted on A.T., etc.. When cross referencing with the Mike Stevens site and information from LaDeane Miller, this is what I have so far; Listed above TOBACCO is: #290 1118 Gi iciya - Painted Yellow - m fat 50 b. 1840 1119 Ite ska - White Face - f wife 48 b. 1842 1120 (Mato) Winhota -Roan (Bear) - f wife 38 b. 1852 - [Note]: Mato and Bear added by; kakarns 1121 Winyan Waste - Pretty Woman - f da 3 b. 1887 - [Note]: Pretty Woman was the daughter of, Roan Bear. Pretty Woman under went a name change at some point and is listed on M. S. site as; *Wicincala Waste - Good Girl* #291 1122 Canli - Tobacco - m fat 81 b. 1809 1123 Ta sunke - Her Horse - f wife 47 b. 1843 1124 Mato ska - (William) White Bear - m son 23 b. 1867 Canli - (Adam) Tobacco - m son 17 b. 1873 - [Note]: Added by; kakarns per, M.S. site 1125 Ceha ? - Fat - m son 16 b. 1874 1126 Ho waste - Good Voice - f da 8 b. 1882 #292 1127 Sina luta - Red Blanket - m son 33 b. 1857 1128 Canli - Tobacco - m bro 37 1853 1129 Janjanyela - Transparent - f mot 81 b. 1809 Refer: 1890 Pine Ridge Census (I think, from July 1, 1890 - Melt, Shannon Co., SD) LaDeane Miller files Mike Stevens - Tiyosapaye site kakarns
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Post by kakarns on Mar 11, 2017 5:13:52 GMT -5
OAR, Here are some brief notes that I have concerning Lone Bear and family.:
Lone Bear (---) (Spotted Bear5, Smoke Chief4, Red Thunder3, Red Thunder2, Black Moccasin1), born 1838 in Sioux Nation, Minniconjou. He married unknown. Notes for Lone Bear: Lone Bear was a brother of Woman Dress who is brother to American Horse III and of Standing Bear who went to Washington in 1870-cousin of Red Cloud-brother of Little Wolf-1/2 brother to Bull Head (Oglala Lakota College) Signed the Fort Laramie Treaty of 1868
Children of Lone Bear were as follows:
Alice Lone Bear, born 1868 in Oglala Sioux Nation. Notes: 1920 census Bennett pg 132a widow parents b in S Dakota Samuel Lone Bear, born 1870 in Sioux Nation, Black Hills.
I hope this helps you a little. Unfortunately, I have no notes or, information concerning Lone Bear's time spent with the Wild West show.
Refer: LaDeane Miller files
kakarns
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Post by kakarns on Mar 1, 2017 19:07:46 GMT -5
Thank you everyone, for your contributions ! kakarns
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Post by kakarns on Feb 26, 2017 7:48:15 GMT -5
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Post by kakarns on Feb 26, 2017 7:44:35 GMT -5
Chief Peter Big Turnip b. 1848 d. Feb. 28, 1915 / South Dakota, USA
Peter was married to Lone Woman (aka), Louisa Big Turnip b. 1854 d. _
Peter and Louisa had 2 son's: Pemican b. 1863 Luke Big Turnip b. 1876. (This may possibly be the same Big Turnip who, was with Buffalo Bill's Wild West Show in 1900.)
1910 Wounded Knee Census info.; Peter with wife, Lone Woman Mother, Eagle Two b. 1834 (Montana) Brother, Pemican
1920 Census info.; Mrs. Big Turnip is widowed and living with Pemican.
Peter and Louisa's Final Resting Place: Oglala Lakota County Rockyford, South Dakota, USA
Refer: Find A Grave Memorial website. Info. created by Doreen on, June 12, 2013
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Post by kakarns on Feb 11, 2017 9:05:19 GMT -5
This is a partial of pg. 2 of; "DATA FOR HEIRSHIP FINDING AND FAMILY HISTORY" Document is dated; 09/07/62 The document was for my Great Grandmother, Maggie (Powell) Rousseau. The name listed for Maggie's Mother; "Fannie Big Turnip" has of course, created more questions. This is the only document to my knowledge, that refers to Maggie's Mother as; Fannie Big Turnip. There is more information about the name; "Big Turnip" on this site but, I am not sure of the connection at this time, if...there is one. kakarns
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