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Post by kakarns on Jan 6, 2014 5:18:00 GMT -5
gregor, I agree with emilylevine, you did a great job putting this together. Several things in your thread has caught my attention. First of all, the mention of the names, Black Lodge. Second, the mention of the association with the White Swan Camp. Third, the mention of Auguste Chouteau. In my recent research of the Sarpi (aka), Sarpy family, I have also noticed the mention of the Chouteau family name. It would be very helpful if, someone were able to translate the American Indian names that you have listed as Saswe or, Francios Deslaurier's children listed in the part of your thread listed below; "In the first years of their marriage Saswe and his wife became parents of three daughters; but no son. The failure to produce a man-child was a source of great unhappiness, but finally a son arrived. Altogether they had six children: Tusunkeoyedutawin (Alice), Tunkanicagewin (Anna), Wakancekiyewin (Sarah), Tipi Sapa (Philip Joseph Deloria), Ziwina (Carrie), and Tusunkawakanwin (Euphrasia). Three of the children, Alice, Sarah, and Philip, were born on the Grand River in northern South Dakota, suggesting that Saswe's band quite frequently visited the Hunkpaps and Blackfeet Sioux. Since Saswe was a prosperous medicine man, he had two other wives, Tatedutawin and Apetuicagapinwin, by whom he had seven other children who were listed in the Yankton Mission register. It is said that he had twenty-two children, eighteen girls and four boys. Perhaps only those children who lived near him on the Yankton Reservation and were baptized by the Episcopal missionary had their names and birth places recorded. Finally in 1870 Saswe himself agreed to be baptized, and he not only became a Christian but in 1874 he also formally married Sihasapawin, the Blackfeet Sioux woman, according to the white man's way. He stopped living with the other two wives, one of whom went back to her people at Crow Creek, where most of the Yanktonais now settled." Thank you ! kakarns Read more: amertribes.proboards.com/thread/1975/delorias#ixzz2pbw4w4pS
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Post by kakarns on Jan 4, 2014 8:08:29 GMT -5
I thought I would include these quoted emails which, I received from my relative Cheryl Randall. (Cheryl, is the proud owner of the photo above.)
[NOTE]: I will edit my Refer: above to reflect the relatives who have worked together with me on the Charging Eagle lineage project. kakarns
1.) "I first studied the Rosebud censuses several years back. There was a girl by the name of Julia Good Voice that was a lot younger than Fannie's sister. The pictures you sent are most likely the younger girl since the one picture looks like it was taken from the 1879 photo of the first group of female Indian children taken to the Carlisle Indian School. At this time Lily was married to Samuel Terry.
Lily Charging Eagle was first married to Samuel Terry on June 24, 1878 at the age of 17. Samuel was 44! Samuel Terry or St. Mark!!! as he preferred to be called had been (married) several times to Indian women in the Fort Laramie region & had several daughters by them. Don't know why Lily ended up marrying him! She had at least 3 daughters by him & only one that survived, Josephine Terry. It was 12 years later that she married Julian Fire Heart Bear. Julian's last name was shortened to Fire Heart. I believe that Lily most likely married a Good Voice sometime in between these two marriages. Twelve years is a long time! I did find a Daniel Good Voice aka Young Bear around her age that had been married several times. He was into stock raising & I have always wondered if Dan Powell didn't have something to do with his success.
Julian Fire Heart had a brother that was 12 years younger by the name of Joseph Fire Heart. Joseph also married a woman that took on the name of Lily Fire Heart - so, there were two Lily Fire Heart's on the Rosebud Reservation at the same time! Makes research confusing, but I saw many ration & census records to confirm this finding.
Also, I don't believe Fannie & Lily had the same mother. Or else, Lily would have been listed on the Black Lodge document & would have inherited. Lily was listed as a Brule on the Rosebud censuses when she was married to Samuel Terry. Lily was an enrolled Rosebud Indian & surely she would never have been overlooked as a relative of Black Lodge who was also a Rosebud Indian!"
2.) "I have the books Images of America for Rosebud Sioux, Pine Ridge Reservation & Cheyenne River Sioux South Dakota. I do not believe the picture of Lillian Fire Heart is Julian's wife but his brother Joseph's wife. Julian & Lily only had one daughter that died in infancy. I already mentioned that Lily was married to Samuel Terry on June 24, 1878 at the age of 17. She then had 3 daughters by him from 1879 through 1882. I doubt she had time to go to school! (I think this was a discussion Cheryl and I had about the "Good Voice" featured in one of Donovin Sprague's books. [kakarns])
I truly believe that Charging Eagle had plural wives. A very common practice in those days."
Refer: Cheryl Randall
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Post by kakarns on Jan 3, 2014 23:34:22 GMT -5
Thank you again Dietmar for posting the above photo and info..
The story behind the above photo goes something like this. Dietmar posted the photo in a thread which, also announced the photo was for sale on ebay. I recognized a couple of the names listed on the back of the photo. They were "Blue Whirlwind" and "Terry". I then contacted a relative and told her of my recent discovery. She looked the photo up on ebay and started bidding on it, contacted me to let me know she was bidding on it. She was so excited and commented; "that's her, I know it's her and there were very few people out west with the last name of Terry !" Well, she ended up winning the bid and purchased the photo.
We believe (myself and relative who purchased the photo)that the woman in the photo is one of Charging Eagle's daughter's. As far as we know, by documentation, she is the oldest child. As I have mentioned before, we are still uncertain who her Mother was.
Here is some information about this daughter of Charging Eagle which, has been mostly compiled by my relative who purchased the photo.:
Daughter Julia Good Voice Bear (aka), Blue Whirlwind (aka), Blue Water (aka), Lily Fireheart Bear (b. circa 1861-63 d. 5-26-1939). Married at least twice.
Julia inherited 2/9 of the Charging Eagle Allotment.
Julia's Marriage #1: On 6-24-1878 as Blue Whirlwind to Samuel Terry (1834-1924) at the Spotted Tail Agency. They had at least one child together.
Julia's Marriage #2: Julian Fireheart (b.circa 1859 d. 8-28-1941) [Father is Fireheart (b. 1827) and Mother is Crow Eater (b. circa 1835)]
a.) Daughter of Julia and Samuel Terry was; Josephine Terry (aka), Josephine Terry Larvie (aka), Mrs. Scott Six Shooter (aka), Josephine Charge Alone (b. circa 1882)
Julian Fireheart inherited 1/9 of the Charging Eagle Allotment. Julian became the step-father of Josephine Terry (aka), Mrs. Scott Six Shooter (aka), Josephine Charge Alone
[NOTES on Josephine Terry including, marriage #1]: Josephine married Joseph Larvie (b. 1870-d.circa 1924) in 1902. Joseph was the son of Long Joe Larrabee (Larvie, Larive). Long Joe was the blacksmith at Camp Robinson. One of Joseph's half sister's named Helen married Crazy Horse a few months before he was killed. Another of Joseph's half sister's named Sarah (Sally) married James "Scotty" Philip, a good friend of Daniel Powell (my G.G. Grandfather, [by kakarns]). Another half sister named Julia married Michael Dunn, a civilian employee at Camp Robinson. Another half sister named Zoe (Geo) married JE "Carnie" (James) Utterback.
Josephine Terry and Joseph Larvie had children: Sally Larvie Peneaux Joseph Larvie Jr. Dorine Larvie Lily Larvie Richard Larvie Frank Larvie Andrew Larvie Aloysius (Lucius) Larvie
[NOTE on Sally Larvie Peneaux] (Josephine's daughter): Sally had children: Joseph, Stanely, Annie and Hilda Peneaux
Josephine's marriage #2: Scott Alone Six Shooter (b.circa 1870) married in abt. 1928.
[NOTE by; kakarns]: After reviewing some of information at hand, there is a possible child of Julia's that is in question and mostly of who the Father was. Not much information to go on. The notes I have on this person are very vague: Lily Terry ? (1883-1897) Daughter Lily ? (1893-circa 1896)
Refer: Allotment Or Estate Record/Fireheart Bear, Lily Charging Eagle - family documentation - Cheryl Randall, Mike Magstadt, Faye Longbrake and myself Charging Eagle Estate/Title Status Report Other resources used by my relative are unknown.
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Post by kakarns on Jan 3, 2014 6:43:59 GMT -5
Medicine Root District, ca 1886 Census (Meat Records): One Feather - 3 [with One Feather]: Charging Eagle - 3 Bear Wolf - 5 Spotted Elk - 3 Standing Cloud - 8 [Total= 22] Through much research, I am trying to confirm something about the Charging Eagle and the One Feather family connection. Unfortunately, I am rushed today but, wanted to share a few things this morning. To the best of my knowledge, the One Feather who was attacked by the cowboys/ranchers in Jan. of 1891, shortly after the Wounded Knee Massacre are my deceased relatives. One Feather was with Few Tails and his wife, Clown while hunting and witnessed the killing of Few Tails. This One Feather that I refer to is (aka), Moses One Feather and his wife was Jennie, (aka), Jessie Red Iron, (aka), Red Owl. If, anyone has more information or, would care to comment, it would be appreciated. "In Memory of my relatives, in this month of Jan. 2014, my heart is empty of happiness and full of sadness." kakarns Ref.: 1.) Census 1890, 1893, 1894 - LaDeane Miller 2.) "In The Shadow of Wounded Knee: The Untold Final Story of the Indian Wars" by Roger L. Di Silvestro 3.) Mike Stevens website 4.) Meat Records - Kansas City Archives
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Post by kakarns on Nov 30, 2013 8:25:25 GMT -5
Ok. Thanks !
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Post by kakarns on Nov 29, 2013 10:52:22 GMT -5
Hello Kingsley and Dietmar, I couldn't help but to notice the similarities in the man's name being discussed in this thread compared to the man Kingsley posted about (on Nov. 20, 2013) in the Charging Eagle thread. Is there a possibility this could be one in the same man ? In the C.E. thread, Kingsley's post was in reference to a man I have been seeking information about named, "Shoots For Them". Family 303 One Who is Caused to Shoot age 59 White Buffalo Cow wife age 53 Thunder Bird son age 21 Read more: amertribes.proboards.com/thread/1411/charging-eagle-sioux?page=3#ixzz2m38ZrrvIJust a thought. Thanks, kakarns
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Post by kakarns on Nov 22, 2013 18:28:14 GMT -5
Today, I reviewed some information about Charging Eagle and "All Holy's" daughter, "Close". Close married "Frank Feather". Then, I noticed one of Frank and Close's daughters named "Mary Feather" (aka), "Red Earth Nation" married: 1.)Oscar Long Soldier, 1st husband 2.)Henry Bull Bear, 2nd husband. Refer: LaDeane Miller kakarns After reviewing some Census today, I do believe that the Henry Bull Bear (b. circa 1880) mentioned above was the son of; Young Bull Bear and Grey Grass Refer: LaDeane Miller kakarns
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Post by kakarns on Nov 20, 2013 16:05:07 GMT -5
Today, I reviewed some information about Charging Eagle and "All Holy's" daughter, "Close". Close married "Frank Feather". Then, I noticed one of Frank and Close's daughters named "Mary Feather" (aka), "Red Earth Nation" married: 1.)Oscar Long Soldier, 1st husband 2.)Henry Bull Bear, 2nd husband.
Refer: LaDeane Miller
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Post by kakarns on Nov 20, 2013 15:49:37 GMT -5
Thank you Kingsley !
I would like to say something at this time about some of post in this "Charging Eagle" thread.
1.) Some of the information from the Mike Stevens site may not be totally accurate.
For example; a.)The family members (including myself) who have been working together on this research, initially thought Charging Eagle's wife Close Together and Transparent Stone were one in the same person. We don't feel that way so much anymore. It is doubtful.
b.)On the M.S. site it is listed that Charging Eagle's wife, "Close Together" was the Mother of, both "Julia Good Voice Bear" and my G.G. Grandmother "Top of the Head" (aka), "Pecokanwin".
c.) In what I will refer to as "The Black Lodge Estate", there is no mention of the name "Close Together". Only the name "Transparent Stone" and my G.G. Grandmother, (who in these papers is referred to as); "Fannie M. Powell". There is also no mention of Charging Eagle's daughter, "Julia Good Voice Bear" in this Estate Record. This is what leads us to believe that Close Together and Transparent Stone were NOT one in the same person. However, Close Together may have been the mother of Julia Good Voice Bear.
Refer: Mike Stevens Spotted Tail's Widow #2 Estate
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Post by kakarns on Nov 5, 2013 12:40:43 GMT -5
Hello, As I stated in my previous post on Oct. 12,2013, I have been doing allot of reading/research concerning the birth place of Pecokanwin (aka), Top Of The Head (aka), Mary Fannie Charging Eagle. She was the daughter of Charging Eagle and Transparent Stone, wife of Daniel A. Powell Sr. and my G. G. Grandmother.
Since 9-23-13 I have been collecting information about the Native Americans that may have lived near Rocky Ford, Colorado in the year of Pecokawin's birth, March 17, 1864. I have no solid proof at this time but, most of the information I have been finding suggests it was more probable it was the Cheyenne and Arapaho Peoples. Therefore, I have had to look at a bigger picture so to speak, knowing that Charging Eagle ended up settling at Medicine Root Creek in South Dakota. The biggest question in the back of my mind is perhaps, was Charging Eagle in Rocky Ford because he married into the Cheyenne or Arapaho family or, was he originally from the Cheyenne or, Arapaho Peoples ?
1.) On the "THIRTEENTH CENSUS OF THE UNITED STATES: INDIAN POPULATION, Medicine Root District, May of 1910" list the following information: Charging Eagle - Head - age 76 - Place of Birth of this Person, North Dakota - Place of Birth of Father of this Person, Colorado - Place of Birth of Mother of this Person, North Dakota. Listed with Charging Eagle were the following: Broken Rock - Wife - age 78 Yellow Bull, Albert - grandson - age 19 " ", Chester - grandson - age 18
This information was a good start for me in my research. I must say that the year this Census was taken, Charging Eagle would enter the Spirit World, 7 months later. So, considering Charging Eagle gave the birth place of himself and his Mother in North Dakota and his Father from Colorado, it seemed like a good start even though, I know the Census are not allows accurate.
2.) "PRAIRIE PROGRESS IN WEST CENTRAL SOUTH DAKOTA" (pg. 495) states the following: "Dan married Fannie Charging Eagle, an Agallala Sioux. Her family had lived at Pine Ridge for ten years before her marriage to Dan in 1878 and prior to that in Colorado." [Note]: Notice the spelling of Agallala. I am not sure if, this is a "type O" or, it has meaning that I am unaware of ?
3.) Cheyenne research, Source - "Access Genealogy" website/part of a larger collection called "Indian Tribes of North American", states some of the following: a.) " A little later they seem to have moved to the neighborhood of Lake Traverse and still later part of them occupied a stockade town on the Sheyenne River of North Dakota near the present Lisbon, N. Dak." b.)"When Bent's Fort was built on the upper Arkansas in 1832 a large part decided to establish themselves near it but the rest continued to rove about the headwaters of the North Platte and the Yellowstone. This separation in the tribe was made permanent by the Treaty of Fort Laramie in 1851, the two sections being known respectively as Southern Cheyenne and Northern Cheyenne. In the meantime they had met and formed an alliance with the Arapaho, though there is no memory of the date or the circumstances."
Of course, knowing that 1864 was the birth year of Pecokanwin and the same year of the "Sand Creek Massacre", I have to ask myself was Charging Eagle and family survivors of the massacre or, were they not there ?
Thanks, kakarns
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Post by kakarns on Oct 12, 2013 1:24:38 GMT -5
It's been a while since I have spoken. I am very happy to say that I have been making good advancements on my lineage. I have recently found out that my G.G. Grandmother was born in Rocky Ford, Co. Therefore, have been doing extensive research concerning southeastern CO.. Pecokanwin was b). March 17, 1864 / Rocky Ford, CO. and trying to figure out what Native Americans were living around Fort Bent during that time. My desire to try and locate more family has not changed.
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Post by kakarns on Sept 12, 2013 19:15:48 GMT -5
Kingsley,
Wish I was able to go. Hope you have a safe trip. If possible, I hope you can learn more about my G.G.G. Grandfather Charging Eagle while you are there.
kakarns
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Post by kakarns on Aug 11, 2013 6:38:46 GMT -5
Hello Everyone,
In Refer. to; a.) My post made on 3-22-2013 b.) My post made on 4-10-2013
Concerning the biological parents of, "Elbert A. Chief". A few months ago, I received some information from a relative, about Elbert's parents.
NAME: Elbert A. Chief BIRTHDATE: 2 Apr 1892 GENDER: Male COUNTY: Ziebach FATHER'S NAME: Thunder Bird MOTHER'S NAME: Comes Out Holy
Hopefully...., this is one question that has been answered.
kakarns
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Post by kakarns on Jul 29, 2013 5:27:54 GMT -5
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Post by kakarns on Apr 23, 2013 17:17:25 GMT -5
Dietmar, In prior research of the name Blue Whirlwind, it seems that the one that survived Wounded Knee Massacre, had some male children. To the best of my knowledge, Julia Good Voice Bear/Blue Whirlwind had 3 daughters. Two daughters with Samuel Terry and one with Julian Fireheart.
Thank you, kakarns
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