If anyone is interested, I would be happy to send a pdf copy of an article written in the 1986 Journal of Arizona History by Albert E. Wratten (George's youngest son) entitled "George Wratten Friend of the Apaches."
Just send me a private message and we can exchange e-mail addresses or I can print it out and send it via USPS.
Thank you for those jasper4 - I could listen to history told by the elder apache all day long. I'm saddened to think that with each passing generation we'll lose more and more of their perspective on life and their ancestor's history. Eventually we'll only be left with what is written in books and all too often that history is very one sided.
dT - I am re-reading Karl Jacoby's book right now and still have quite a bit more to read before I am finished. I had forgotten how he had organized his chapters as you mentioned breaking things apart into short "histories" of the 3 races/groups involved in this terrible attrocity. It does help to give a background of all the different interactions taking place at the time and what led to the murders of the Native Americans.
I found another interesting article worth reading as well - I've only skimmed through it, but it appears to have some descriptions, thoughts and memories from Apache who were just children when it happened. It looks to be well worth reading and I hope to find time this weekend to read it through.
I look forward to hearing your thoughts on the book and I echo your hope that we could hear hear from someone(s) in the Aravaipa Community.
There is a book about the Camp Grant Massacre. I ordered it, and after much patient waiting it arrived today.
"Shadows at Dawn" by Karl Jacoby
I haven't had a chance to read it yet. But it certainly looks like the author did extensive research, the book is very detailed. I am hoping that the book will fit together some pieces of the jigsaw puzzle, and perhaps help to explain some of the questions.
Hello dt - I read Karl Jacoby's book several years ago and although I may be mistaken, I believe you are correct that it was well researched and is a balanced investigation into this terrible atrocity. I am finishing reading a different book now, but I will reread Jacoby's book as soon as I am finished. Although I am not Native American, I have a great deal of interest in the history of the Apache in the southwest and when finished reading would really enjoy continuing the discussion here. I am also extremely interested in what the Apache history says of the Camp Grant massacre - history is most often told by the "victors" and is often very one sided - I would enjoy hearing from the other side in this case. Thanks
There is a book called "Verde to San Carlos" written by William T. Corbusier about his father Col. Corbusier who was an army surgeon during that time period. Quite a bit of the book is a biography/background of the Col.'s experiences in the army during the years 1869-1886, but he included a good portion about that terrible forced march the Yavapai and Apache had to endure as he was along during it.
I don't know how accurate his story is especially when compared with oral history of the Native Americans, but he was clearly sympathetic to their cause and thought much of it was brutal and inhumane.
I found it to be a really interesting read and well worth the time. If any of you happen to read it, I would love to hear how it meshes with Yavapai and Apache traditional history.
kayitah - thank you! I'm not terribly good at doing phonetics, and after looking at your suggestions, I would have to say I agree with all of them. In my mind I always pronounced Nehdni by your 2nd pronunciation (NED-nee), so I'm glad to hear that's one variant!
It surprises me that Juh would be pronounced two such different ways - I wonder why that is?
I haven't had time to add to my list, but rest assured I will sometime soon and continue popping back on here now and then to see if some Native speakers give me their thoughts!
Thank you again to everyone who has responded. Here is what I have so far - please let me know if any of them sound wrong:
Chiricahua: cheer-uh-CAH-wah (or just cheer-CAH-wah)
It may seem odd that I want to know the pronunciation, but it doesn't feel right to me to read the stories and not be saying the correct names even if it's just in my head - it just seems disrespectful.
Thank you very much for the welcome and for helping me out with my first set of words/names! While I've read many books, I haven't seen many of the videos and documentaries associated with Apaches and other Native Americans of the SW, so I really appreciate you sharing the names of those two videos - I will be spending some time in the next week watching them and more as I can find them!
The history of the Apache is just so fascinating. One of the things I regret is that I didn't get interested in the history much earlier in life when it was less dangerous to hike and explore the mountains in southern New Mexico and Arizona to experience the area where so much happened. Today so much of it is "ruled" but drug cartels that it generally would not be smart to visit them .
Thanks again, and I'm certain I will have more questions. As a matter of fact, if there are more documentaries that you consider to be well done and accurate, please feel free to share them here too.
I'm new here, but I've been fascinated by Native American history for a long time and find myself drawn to Native Americans from the SW United States, specifically Apache.
I apologize in advance if my question/request comes off as being disrespectful, because I want to be clear that I don't intend it to be that way.
I read everything I can get my hands on regarding Apache history including but not limited to Ball, Sweeney, Opler, Goodwin, Basso, etc... and I find that I want to pronounce names and words correctly while reading and even more importantly when talking to someone in person about my interest and the things I've read.
Would it be appropriate for me to start making a list of words, names, etc... here that I want to be able to pronounce correctly and have those of you who know the correct pronunication weigh in?
I would like to see the pronunciations done phonetically if at all possible to help me get in the habit of saying the names correctly.
Just as an example....
I won't follow through with this unless folks here say it's not disrespectful and are willing to help.