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Post by shatonska on Aug 30, 2012 7:30:44 GMT -5
yes Dietmar
i read recently that Red Moon married in the wutapiu , survived the Washita attack and i imagined he led at least part of the survival of that band , later succeeded by White Shield who married one of his daughters
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Post by shatonska on Aug 29, 2012 14:59:37 GMT -5
"shatonska" , Little Robe was at Washita ( November 1868 ) but his encampment was just downstream from Black Kettle`s camp. See > The Peace Chiefs of the Cheyennes < by Stan Hoig, page 145 Greetings - cinemo hi cinemo yes i wasn't clear sorry i meant , as the info said , that he was in Black kettle camp and succeded Black Kettle as leader of his band (this i think is wrong , most probably he was in one the camps downstream and just succeded Black Kettle as leader of the peace faction )
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Post by shatonska on Aug 28, 2012 13:38:49 GMT -5
shatonska, there´s not much, not even in Powell´s books, but John Moore writes: Although the Dog Soldiers had been defeated militarily and confined to the Oklahoma reservation in 1869, they continued to be the most militant of the Southern Cheyennes. On the reservation, they seem to have accepted the political leadership of Stone Calf, a former Dog Soldier Chief (Bent 1968:290, 294) who had been elevated to a Council Chiefship sometime before reservation days. As we shall see more specifically in the tabulated data to follow, Stone Calf had long been walking the narrow line between militant and collaborator. (John H. Moore, Cheyenne Political History, 1820-1894, page 344) Danke Dietmar Do you have info about Little Robe and Eagle Head bands ? For Little Robe i found a quote saying he succeded Black Kettle as Wutapiu leader and that he was at Washita (but i give very little credit to this last info) For Eagle Head (minimic) , a former Bowstring headman , in a letter from his captivity at fort Marion he had words for Whilwind , at the time principal chief of the Hair rope band , maybe his own band ?
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Post by shatonska on Aug 28, 2012 11:11:16 GMT -5
does anybody knows the band Stone Calf belonged to ?
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Post by shatonska on May 13, 2012 16:17:18 GMT -5
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Post by shatonska on Jul 23, 2011 16:45:21 GMT -5
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Post by shatonska on Sept 10, 2009 10:58:48 GMT -5
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Post by shatonska on Aug 25, 2009 16:21:02 GMT -5
shatonska: non ti preoccupare, è perfetto (thunder da farwest.it, giusto?) Kingsley, do you have further information about Wild Hog's wives and was one of them an Oglala? si (thunder has nothing to do with indians but with thunder road) in the 1891 census there is only a reference to hog's son , bird , and maybe wrong (he is said to be 2 years old while your link .. www.spanggenealogy.com/nc/gtp1795.htm#head0 ) , but two of the 4 files seem corrupted www.cheyenneancestors.com/cheysourc.html
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Post by shatonska on Aug 25, 2009 16:13:45 GMT -5
The long visit of teenage Crazy Horse to Sicangu probably explains many of the Sicangu lodges at LBH camp in the summer 1876. It is known that some of Iron Shell's Sicangu's relatives were in the LBH camp, while the majority of the Sicangu's were not at LBH this is a very interesting point
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Post by shatonska on Aug 25, 2009 15:39:22 GMT -5
The Little Wolf in this photo with Wild Hog and Standing Elk is the younger Little Wolf, nephew of the great chief. Born in ca. 1850 his mother was sister to Little Wolf's first wife. In youth he was known as Thorny Tree and Young Hawk, but after he counted his first coup against the Shoshones, his famous uncle gave him his own name. Because he surrendered to Col. Miles at Tongue River he was not involved in the main N. Cheyenne removal from Red Cloud Agency to Indian Territory in 1877, but he was among the people taken there late in 1878 - i.e. too late to be involved in the flight homeward so gloriously led by his uncle. Instead he was among the Cheyennes relocated to Pine Ridge in 1881 - and hence the photo posted! Kingsley that makes more sense Laban Little wolf
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Post by shatonska on Aug 25, 2009 15:06:55 GMT -5
jinlian i think it is him , resemblance is very high , age fits (from 45 to 50 in 1887 , hog died in 89 ) and i found no running hog anywhere, and these are chiefs , Hog was a young and fine man anyway
this photo is a bit of puzzle because it has been made from 1887 to 91 when Little wolf was in disgrace , probably as i said in the other post , little wolf away from the reservation (here he was visiting the cheyenne still living at Pine ridge) could act as a chief and the classical disgrace period lasted usually 4 years even if at home he mantained his exile status until his death
( a parte la mia frettolosita' intrinseca in italiano mi esprimerei meglio ;D )
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Post by shatonska on Aug 25, 2009 14:47:06 GMT -5
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Post by shatonska on Jul 24, 2009 9:51:11 GMT -5
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Post by shatonska on Jul 23, 2009 16:44:28 GMT -5
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Post by shatonska on Jun 28, 2009 15:01:00 GMT -5
White Antelope is first left (easy to compare to the 1851 photo , the nose), black kettle is center ,bull bear is second from RIGHT , not between the other two cheyennes , just watch the photos of bull bear in the book the peace chiefs of the cheyennes , in 1964 he was young and a big man not old and small like the man between White Antelope and black kettle in this photo the big man bull bear is first left while white antelope is first right books.google.it/books?id=mXoKmTT_aHIC&pg=PA89&dq=the+peace+chiefs+bull+bear&lr=&as_brr=3here is the photo(page 91) of bull bear and something about his life and his words
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